Re: A case of death wobble today
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message news:ttpZb.6$DV3.10262@news.uswest.net... Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some front end work. I'll second that diagnosis. I have a leaf spring suspension, and I have no trackbar and no DW experiences. I am about due for some DW though because I suspect the ball joints are worn and I know the tie rods are near end-life. DW is caused because one tire gets pushed off of straight ahead, and it takes a while for the other tire to aim itself in the same direction. During the delay, the first tire regains its composure and starts looking for the front again, in the mean time the other tire has cought up to where the first tire was a second ago but isn't anymore. The second tire then heads back to the front, but the first tire is not there anymore because it has decided to go to where the other tire just left. Things spiral downward from there. Caster Angle plays a large role in DW, but caster is not adjustable in a leaf spring front end. (Yes, caster can be adjusted by shims, but the idea is that the axle builder sets the caster angle by the way it positions the spring perches, and the angle normally does not require adjustment as much as it might in a coil spring set up.) I suspect the caster angle on your YJ is probably fine, so it is time to move on to some of the other issues. Ball joints and tie rods should be checked. The Lower Ball Joint is the one that you will most likely need to replace, and you should give serious consideration to replacing both of them even if only one passes the test for a failure item. To test for failure, raise the front tire off the ground and 1.) try to move it by pushing and pulling at the top and the bottom, and 2.) use a lever to lift the tire. The tire under test ought not move in either of these tests. You need a buddy to GENTLY turn the steering wheel back and forth as you look at each tie rod end. There should be no play in the tie rod ends. If the tires (both) pass both of the ball joint tests and all of the tie rod ends pass the tie rod tests, THEN you can get away with replacing the steering stabalizer as the only repair activity. If any of the ball joints or tie rods fail its respective test, then replace all like-parts and the steering stabalizer. In the case of the ball joints, it is only necessary (MOST OF THE TIME) to replace the lower ball joints. The upper ball joints don't carry any weight, so they do not go out very often. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message news:ttpZb.6$DV3.10262@news.uswest.net... Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some front end work. I'll second that diagnosis. I have a leaf spring suspension, and I have no trackbar and no DW experiences. I am about due for some DW though because I suspect the ball joints are worn and I know the tie rods are near end-life. DW is caused because one tire gets pushed off of straight ahead, and it takes a while for the other tire to aim itself in the same direction. During the delay, the first tire regains its composure and starts looking for the front again, in the mean time the other tire has cought up to where the first tire was a second ago but isn't anymore. The second tire then heads back to the front, but the first tire is not there anymore because it has decided to go to where the other tire just left. Things spiral downward from there. Caster Angle plays a large role in DW, but caster is not adjustable in a leaf spring front end. (Yes, caster can be adjusted by shims, but the idea is that the axle builder sets the caster angle by the way it positions the spring perches, and the angle normally does not require adjustment as much as it might in a coil spring set up.) I suspect the caster angle on your YJ is probably fine, so it is time to move on to some of the other issues. Ball joints and tie rods should be checked. The Lower Ball Joint is the one that you will most likely need to replace, and you should give serious consideration to replacing both of them even if only one passes the test for a failure item. To test for failure, raise the front tire off the ground and 1.) try to move it by pushing and pulling at the top and the bottom, and 2.) use a lever to lift the tire. The tire under test ought not move in either of these tests. You need a buddy to GENTLY turn the steering wheel back and forth as you look at each tie rod end. There should be no play in the tie rod ends. If the tires (both) pass both of the ball joint tests and all of the tie rod ends pass the tie rod tests, THEN you can get away with replacing the steering stabalizer as the only repair activity. If any of the ball joints or tie rods fail its respective test, then replace all like-parts and the steering stabalizer. In the case of the ball joints, it is only necessary (MOST OF THE TIME) to replace the lower ball joints. The upper ball joints don't carry any weight, so they do not go out very often. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
"Roy J" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message news:ttpZb.6$DV3.10262@news.uswest.net... Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some front end work. I'll second that diagnosis. I have a leaf spring suspension, and I have no trackbar and no DW experiences. I am about due for some DW though because I suspect the ball joints are worn and I know the tie rods are near end-life. DW is caused because one tire gets pushed off of straight ahead, and it takes a while for the other tire to aim itself in the same direction. During the delay, the first tire regains its composure and starts looking for the front again, in the mean time the other tire has cought up to where the first tire was a second ago but isn't anymore. The second tire then heads back to the front, but the first tire is not there anymore because it has decided to go to where the other tire just left. Things spiral downward from there. Caster Angle plays a large role in DW, but caster is not adjustable in a leaf spring front end. (Yes, caster can be adjusted by shims, but the idea is that the axle builder sets the caster angle by the way it positions the spring perches, and the angle normally does not require adjustment as much as it might in a coil spring set up.) I suspect the caster angle on your YJ is probably fine, so it is time to move on to some of the other issues. Ball joints and tie rods should be checked. The Lower Ball Joint is the one that you will most likely need to replace, and you should give serious consideration to replacing both of them even if only one passes the test for a failure item. To test for failure, raise the front tire off the ground and 1.) try to move it by pushing and pulling at the top and the bottom, and 2.) use a lever to lift the tire. The tire under test ought not move in either of these tests. You need a buddy to GENTLY turn the steering wheel back and forth as you look at each tie rod end. There should be no play in the tie rod ends. If the tires (both) pass both of the ball joint tests and all of the tie rod ends pass the tie rod tests, THEN you can get away with replacing the steering stabalizer as the only repair activity. If any of the ball joints or tie rods fail its respective test, then replace all like-parts and the steering stabalizer. In the case of the ball joints, it is only necessary (MOST OF THE TIME) to replace the lower ball joints. The upper ball joints don't carry any weight, so they do not go out very often. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
lol...that's kinda what i was thinking...
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<403615B3.32977352@sympatico.ca>... > Hmmm.... Death wobble with a loose bar. Now you wonder what would > happen if you took the thing off???? > > Yikes.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Terry Jeffrey wrote: > > > > I had my first ever experience with death wobble today coming home from > > work. Hit a bad bump in the road while in a curve and the front end started > > oscillating and wouldn't stop until I slowed her down and pulled off the > > road. Man that sucked!!!! I see why they call it "death" wobble now. > > > > Turns out my adjustable track bar was loose on one side (again). I'm > > considering removing the bar altogether since I've had problems with it ever > > since I replaced the front-end. Thoughts? Anybody out there removed their > > front track bar on a leaf-sprung Jeep with no on-road handling problems? > > > > Thanks, > > Terry > > 92YJ |
Re: A case of death wobble today
lol...that's kinda what i was thinking...
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<403615B3.32977352@sympatico.ca>... > Hmmm.... Death wobble with a loose bar. Now you wonder what would > happen if you took the thing off???? > > Yikes.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Terry Jeffrey wrote: > > > > I had my first ever experience with death wobble today coming home from > > work. Hit a bad bump in the road while in a curve and the front end started > > oscillating and wouldn't stop until I slowed her down and pulled off the > > road. Man that sucked!!!! I see why they call it "death" wobble now. > > > > Turns out my adjustable track bar was loose on one side (again). I'm > > considering removing the bar altogether since I've had problems with it ever > > since I replaced the front-end. Thoughts? Anybody out there removed their > > front track bar on a leaf-sprung Jeep with no on-road handling problems? > > > > Thanks, > > Terry > > 92YJ |
Re: A case of death wobble today
lol...that's kinda what i was thinking...
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<403615B3.32977352@sympatico.ca>... > Hmmm.... Death wobble with a loose bar. Now you wonder what would > happen if you took the thing off???? > > Yikes.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Terry Jeffrey wrote: > > > > I had my first ever experience with death wobble today coming home from > > work. Hit a bad bump in the road while in a curve and the front end started > > oscillating and wouldn't stop until I slowed her down and pulled off the > > road. Man that sucked!!!! I see why they call it "death" wobble now. > > > > Turns out my adjustable track bar was loose on one side (again). I'm > > considering removing the bar altogether since I've had problems with it ever > > since I replaced the front-end. Thoughts? Anybody out there removed their > > front track bar on a leaf-sprung Jeep with no on-road handling problems? > > > > Thanks, > > Terry > > 92YJ |
Re: A case of death wobble today
OK Roy, it's your job to follow me and tell them to remove the Steering
Stabilizer, you don't need it. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Roy J wrote: > > Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for > every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a > while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the > NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to > REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or > tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some > front end work. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
OK Roy, it's your job to follow me and tell them to remove the Steering
Stabilizer, you don't need it. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Roy J wrote: > > Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for > every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a > while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the > NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to > REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or > tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some > front end work. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
OK Roy, it's your job to follow me and tell them to remove the Steering
Stabilizer, you don't need it. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Roy J wrote: > > Bill, Ya gotta quit suggesting "replace steering stabilzier" for > every case of DW. Sure, replacing it might fix the problem for a > while but the underlying condition will just get worse, make the > NEXT DW more serious. The OP has a loose track bar and wants to > REMOVE it? I'll make bets that he also has a loose ball joint or > tie rod end. The '92 YJ has 12 years on it, about due for some > front end work. |
Re: A case of death wobble today
Give us a clue he was trolling.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bob wrote: > > lol...that's kinda what i was thinking... |
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