bouncy front end
05-17-2005, 04:04 AM
#41
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Re: bouncy front end
I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
it made no difference....
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42896D47.AB193D31@***.net...
> I have driven the cushy, but extremely bouncy coil suspension for
> nearly thirty years: http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg Even
> with stock dual shocks, like the TJ it's uncontrollable:
> http://www.----------.com/dualshocks.jpg I've probably forgotten more
> about my Bear alignment machine training, than you're capable of
> learning. I think your should put your theory to work by removing your
> dampener, jerk!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > Bill knows nothing about the TJ he hates nor its suspension which is
> > totally different from any Jeep he may have ever owned.. That problem
> > has nothing to do with the steering stabilizer and if the front-end were
> > in good condition, you could even run without the steering stabilizer
> > which serves as a band-aid when other problems exist.
it made no difference....
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42896D47.AB193D31@***.net...
> I have driven the cushy, but extremely bouncy coil suspension for
> nearly thirty years: http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg Even
> with stock dual shocks, like the TJ it's uncontrollable:
> http://www.----------.com/dualshocks.jpg I've probably forgotten more
> about my Bear alignment machine training, than you're capable of
> learning. I think your should put your theory to work by removing your
> dampener, jerk!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >
> > Bill knows nothing about the TJ he hates nor its suspension which is
> > totally different from any Jeep he may have ever owned.. That problem
> > has nothing to do with the steering stabilizer and if the front-end were
> > in good condition, you could even run without the steering stabilizer
> > which serves as a band-aid when other problems exist.
05-17-2005, 09:25 AM
#42
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Re: bouncy front end
Yes, Daimler engineers are stupid for wasting money putting a
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
05-17-2005, 09:25 AM
#43
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Re: bouncy front end
Yes, Daimler engineers are stupid for wasting money putting a
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
05-17-2005, 09:25 AM
#44
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Re: bouncy front end
Yes, Daimler engineers are stupid for wasting money putting a
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
05-17-2005, 09:25 AM
#45
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Re: bouncy front end
Yes, Daimler engineers are stupid for wasting money putting a
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
dampener on every four wheel drive with a live axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
05-17-2005, 10:30 AM
#46
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Re: bouncy front end
You think you are "educating" the group? -------- and how egotistical
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-17-2005, 10:30 AM
#47
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Re: bouncy front end
You think you are "educating" the group? -------- and how egotistical
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-17-2005, 10:30 AM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: bouncy front end
You think you are "educating" the group? -------- and how egotistical
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-17-2005, 10:30 AM
#49
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Re: bouncy front end
You think you are "educating" the group? -------- and how egotistical
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
of you to say that. Half the stuff you say here is just plain wrong,
you think you know more than you do. It's laughable how sometimes it's
just so impossible to explain something to you. Bill, your lack of
education on many of the subjects here is very apparent but you insist
on bluffing, huffing and puffing, and bullying tactics to convince the
newbies you know what you're saying. Having run a gas station many
years ago makes you qualified to be an expert on nothing except perhaps
how to run a gas station.. which even towel heads that barely speak
English seem to do just fine at as well.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'm educating the group, of course, I don't expect you
> capable of that realization.
> And yes, it was my job to know everything related to the
> automobile, or at least capable of looking it up to get the right
> answer, as a wrong installation may have killed someone with a faulty
> brake job or even a wheel alignment that we're talking.
> UNDERSTAND??????? I doubt it!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you're talking to hear yourself speak. None of that has anything
>>to do with the subject, I guess you're just not able to figure out what
>>the real subject is. You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut,
>>because you clearly have no clue on the problem. A typical gas station
>>guy... thinks he knows everything.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-17-2005, 11:21 AM
#50
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Re: bouncy front end
Ditto here. Mine's been gone for a few years now and never noticed it's
lack. Seem's to me one of the monthlies I was just reading touched on this
subject. Basically if you need a "stabilizer" (IIRC, they said this was a
misnomer), you've got problems elsewhere. It was explained that
stabilizers were never designed to eliminate wobble, shimmy, or anything of
the such. They were there to absorb shock to the steering system and
thereby reduce it's wear and tear. Something along those lines. I'll see
if I can dig up the reference. I completely expect Mr. Bill (Oh noooo!!!!)
to try to twist it around SOME way to make him and only him the correct
party here.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1Ahie.33402$G8.22105@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago
and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42896D47.AB193D31@***.net...
> > I have driven the cushy, but extremely bouncy coil suspension for
> > nearly thirty years: http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg Even
> > with stock dual shocks, like the TJ it's uncontrollable:
> > http://www.----------.com/dualshocks.jpg I've probably forgotten more
> > about my Bear alignment machine training, than you're capable of
> > learning. I think your should put your theory to work by removing your
> > dampener, jerk!
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill knows nothing about the TJ he hates nor its suspension which is
> > > totally different from any Jeep he may have ever owned.. That problem
> > > has nothing to do with the steering stabilizer and if the front-end
were
> > > in good condition, you could even run without the steering stabilizer
> > > which serves as a band-aid when other problems exist.
>
>
lack. Seem's to me one of the monthlies I was just reading touched on this
subject. Basically if you need a "stabilizer" (IIRC, they said this was a
misnomer), you've got problems elsewhere. It was explained that
stabilizers were never designed to eliminate wobble, shimmy, or anything of
the such. They were there to absorb shock to the steering system and
thereby reduce it's wear and tear. Something along those lines. I'll see
if I can dig up the reference. I completely expect Mr. Bill (Oh noooo!!!!)
to try to twist it around SOME way to make him and only him the correct
party here.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1Ahie.33402$G8.22105@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> I'm with Jerry on this one - my stabiliser leaked out it's oil ages ago
and
> it made no difference....
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42896D47.AB193D31@***.net...
> > I have driven the cushy, but extremely bouncy coil suspension for
> > nearly thirty years: http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg Even
> > with stock dual shocks, like the TJ it's uncontrollable:
> > http://www.----------.com/dualshocks.jpg I've probably forgotten more
> > about my Bear alignment machine training, than you're capable of
> > learning. I think your should put your theory to work by removing your
> > dampener, jerk!
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill knows nothing about the TJ he hates nor its suspension which is
> > > totally different from any Jeep he may have ever owned.. That problem
> > > has nothing to do with the steering stabilizer and if the front-end
were
> > > in good condition, you could even run without the steering stabilizer
> > > which serves as a band-aid when other problems exist.
>
>