bouncy front end
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Re: bouncy front end
a fair point, won't argue with you on that.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Dave,
> Another reason Ford, GM, and Daimler uses a dampener on their
> products with straight axles is without it the wheel will deliver a
> direct shot at the steering box, from a glancing obstacle suck as an
> immovable rock.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I don't have to imagine - it's there to mitigate against worn bushes and
> > joints. Mine aren't worn, therefore it isn't needed. When they do get
worn,
> > they will be replaced, and it still won't be needed. A properly setup
front
> > end doesn't need a damper, and a badly set up front end needs more than
a
> > damper !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:428A72D0.F6C832D0@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> Another reason Ford, GM, and Daimler uses a dampener on their
> products with straight axles is without it the wheel will deliver a
> direct shot at the steering box, from a glancing obstacle suck as an
> immovable rock.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I don't have to imagine - it's there to mitigate against worn bushes and
> > joints. Mine aren't worn, therefore it isn't needed. When they do get
worn,
> > they will be replaced, and it still won't be needed. A properly setup
front
> > end doesn't need a damper, and a badly set up front end needs more than
a
> > damper !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: bouncy front end
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
You're welcome.
You should only be looking at hydraulic shocks, avoid the gas filled models.
The problem with the TJ is that it is very light, and a gas filled shock
will give a very harsh ride. You have coil springs, I have leaf springs -
and my leaf springs are ProComp - so my experience will be a little
different than yours. There is a line of shocks by Rancho, the Rancho 5000
and 9000 are the best examples. The 5000s are a fixed-rate shock, the 9000s
use a variable rate - they have a valve that you can adjust. I have the
9000s on my CJ, and they are sedt to the softest setting and have never been
changed. I messed with them the first couple of weeks, but soon settled on
leaving them alone. Save your money and don't get the 9000s, and by all
means do not get the 5000s - these will rattle your fillings out. The Rancho
RSX seems to be a pretty reasonable unit for the TJ. Bilsteins are very
nice, as are DuetchTech, I think the DT3000 is the popular choice around
here. Jerry B has a few words to insert here that should help you in your
search for new shocks.
I suspect you need rear shocks as well.
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Re: bouncy front end
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
You're welcome.
You should only be looking at hydraulic shocks, avoid the gas filled models.
The problem with the TJ is that it is very light, and a gas filled shock
will give a very harsh ride. You have coil springs, I have leaf springs -
and my leaf springs are ProComp - so my experience will be a little
different than yours. There is a line of shocks by Rancho, the Rancho 5000
and 9000 are the best examples. The 5000s are a fixed-rate shock, the 9000s
use a variable rate - they have a valve that you can adjust. I have the
9000s on my CJ, and they are sedt to the softest setting and have never been
changed. I messed with them the first couple of weeks, but soon settled on
leaving them alone. Save your money and don't get the 9000s, and by all
means do not get the 5000s - these will rattle your fillings out. The Rancho
RSX seems to be a pretty reasonable unit for the TJ. Bilsteins are very
nice, as are DuetchTech, I think the DT3000 is the popular choice around
here. Jerry B has a few words to insert here that should help you in your
search for new shocks.
I suspect you need rear shocks as well.
Guest
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Re: bouncy front end
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
You're welcome.
You should only be looking at hydraulic shocks, avoid the gas filled models.
The problem with the TJ is that it is very light, and a gas filled shock
will give a very harsh ride. You have coil springs, I have leaf springs -
and my leaf springs are ProComp - so my experience will be a little
different than yours. There is a line of shocks by Rancho, the Rancho 5000
and 9000 are the best examples. The 5000s are a fixed-rate shock, the 9000s
use a variable rate - they have a valve that you can adjust. I have the
9000s on my CJ, and they are sedt to the softest setting and have never been
changed. I messed with them the first couple of weeks, but soon settled on
leaving them alone. Save your money and don't get the 9000s, and by all
means do not get the 5000s - these will rattle your fillings out. The Rancho
RSX seems to be a pretty reasonable unit for the TJ. Bilsteins are very
nice, as are DuetchTech, I think the DT3000 is the popular choice around
here. Jerry B has a few words to insert here that should help you in your
search for new shocks.
I suspect you need rear shocks as well.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: bouncy front end
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
You're welcome.
You should only be looking at hydraulic shocks, avoid the gas filled models.
The problem with the TJ is that it is very light, and a gas filled shock
will give a very harsh ride. You have coil springs, I have leaf springs -
and my leaf springs are ProComp - so my experience will be a little
different than yours. There is a line of shocks by Rancho, the Rancho 5000
and 9000 are the best examples. The 5000s are a fixed-rate shock, the 9000s
use a variable rate - they have a valve that you can adjust. I have the
9000s on my CJ, and they are sedt to the softest setting and have never been
changed. I messed with them the first couple of weeks, but soon settled on
leaving them alone. Save your money and don't get the 9000s, and by all
means do not get the 5000s - these will rattle your fillings out. The Rancho
RSX seems to be a pretty reasonable unit for the TJ. Bilsteins are very
nice, as are DuetchTech, I think the DT3000 is the popular choice around
here. Jerry B has a few words to insert here that should help you in your
search for new shocks.
I suspect you need rear shocks as well.
Guest
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Re: bouncy front end
PS
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
Guest
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Re: bouncy front end
PS
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: bouncy front end
PS
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: bouncy front end
PS
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
I do not think the stabalizer is your problem. Frankly, I don't think it is
ever a "problem", and it is added by the engineers to soak up road noise and
stuff that gets fed through the steering linkage and up the steering column.
If you can tolerate the feel of this kind of crap, you can probably remove
the stabalizer and not even know it is gone - other than feeling stuff that
you don't feel now.
"Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
news:pauie.1704$Wp.378858@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mythic" <none@none.ca> wrote in message
> > news:ZHaie.1606$dS3.373353@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>I have a stock (no lift etc.) '97 TJ Sport, sometimes when I go over a
> >>significant bump on the road, it feels like the tires are bouncing off
> >>the road. I am assuming I need to replace the shocks. Does this seem
> >
> > right?
> >
> >>Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Wow, a straight forward answer without a bunch of arguing! Much
appreciated!
>
Guest
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Re: bouncy front end
No one, not me, no one has said or recommended that it SHOULD be
removed, only that it COULD be removed without problem if everything
else in the front-end was working and set up as the factory designed it.
Since you hadn't caught on to that nuance yet when this thread first
started, many of us only tried to educate you that replacing the
steering dampener would not help fix the bouncy front end as you
suggested it would. Newbies and clueless old-farts are always
suggesting replacing the steering dampener to fix problems that are
really a result of some other problem that should actually be taken care
of instead. The steering dampener, as it appears you have finally
learned by now, only MASKS other problems... which if they are not
there, the dampener does nothing but sit there. It won't fix a "bouncy"
front-end problem though. Though it's not recommended to drive without
one, you COULD drive without one without feeling anything different if
everything else was working properly. The steering dampener is a
BAND-AID fix that masks other problems... which you are apparently now
trying to act like you have known all along. I deal with steering
dampeners on a nearly daily basis and know precisely what they do and
more importantly, what they CANNOT do. What they cannot and don't do is
what you are apparently weak on.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> OK YOU give me a reason as to why you take the dampener off, and
> why you think Daimler sells them on every new TJ! You have no idea of
> how the front geometry works, and you prove that over and over!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you already had all that explained to you many times, I don't
>>understand why just don't ever "get" explanations that are offered to
>>you. It's like you are just looking to poke holes in any explanation
>>that doesn't jive with what you want.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
removed, only that it COULD be removed without problem if everything
else in the front-end was working and set up as the factory designed it.
Since you hadn't caught on to that nuance yet when this thread first
started, many of us only tried to educate you that replacing the
steering dampener would not help fix the bouncy front end as you
suggested it would. Newbies and clueless old-farts are always
suggesting replacing the steering dampener to fix problems that are
really a result of some other problem that should actually be taken care
of instead. The steering dampener, as it appears you have finally
learned by now, only MASKS other problems... which if they are not
there, the dampener does nothing but sit there. It won't fix a "bouncy"
front-end problem though. Though it's not recommended to drive without
one, you COULD drive without one without feeling anything different if
everything else was working properly. The steering dampener is a
BAND-AID fix that masks other problems... which you are apparently now
trying to act like you have known all along. I deal with steering
dampeners on a nearly daily basis and know precisely what they do and
more importantly, what they CANNOT do. What they cannot and don't do is
what you are apparently weak on.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> OK YOU give me a reason as to why you take the dampener off, and
> why you think Daimler sells them on every new TJ! You have no idea of
> how the front geometry works, and you prove that over and over!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>Bill, you already had all that explained to you many times, I don't
>>understand why just don't ever "get" explanations that are offered to
>>you. It's like you are just looking to poke holes in any explanation
>>that doesn't jive with what you want.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
