I usually direct my queries to you Bill because I can tell who is just smart
and who has genuine wisdom. Thank for the help and feed back and my
apologies for not being forward with you earlier on. I won't continue this
discussion because it sames to be generating hostilities in some people.
Again a big thanks.

--HM

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:417435E4.AD12B599@***.net...
> Slide under it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "TechCityPC.com" wrote:
>>
>> How do I find out if mine was lowered and is this whole lowering thing a
>> recall?
>> When I punch in my vin at the JEEP website and carfax it comes back clean
>> with only one other owner besides me.
>> Were they supposed to lower it before giving it up to me? I myself had
>> taken my Liberty to high speeds with no problems, even the handling
>> seemed
>> good. Are the lowered ones any less problematic than the ones that are
>> not?
>> Have you ever driven one that wasn't lowered? You replied are greatly
>> appreciated. Thnx!
>>
>> --HM

 

I usually direct my queries to you Bill because I can tell who is just smart
and who has genuine wisdom. Thank for the help and feed back and my
apologies for not being forward with you earlier on. I won't continue this
discussion because it sames to be generating hostilities in some people.
Again a big thanks.

--HM

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:417435E4.AD12B599@***.net...
> Slide under it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "TechCityPC.com" wrote:
>>
>> How do I find out if mine was lowered and is this whole lowering thing a
>> recall?
>> When I punch in my vin at the JEEP website and carfax it comes back clean
>> with only one other owner besides me.
>> Were they supposed to lower it before giving it up to me? I myself had
>> taken my Liberty to high speeds with no problems, even the handling
>> seemed
>> good. Are the lowered ones any less problematic than the ones that are
>> not?
>> Have you ever driven one that wasn't lowered? You replied are greatly
>> appreciated. Thnx!
>>
>> --HM

 

I usually direct my queries to you Bill because I can tell who is just smart
and who has genuine wisdom. Thank for the help and feed back and my
apologies for not being forward with you earlier on. I won't continue this
discussion because it sames to be generating hostilities in some people.
Again a big thanks.

--HM

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:417435E4.AD12B599@***.net...
> Slide under it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "TechCityPC.com" wrote:
>>
>> How do I find out if mine was lowered and is this whole lowering thing a
>> recall?
>> When I punch in my vin at the JEEP website and carfax it comes back clean
>> with only one other owner besides me.
>> Were they supposed to lower it before giving it up to me? I myself had
>> taken my Liberty to high speeds with no problems, even the handling
>> seemed
>> good. Are the lowered ones any less problematic than the ones that are
>> not?
>> Have you ever driven one that wasn't lowered? You replied are greatly
>> appreciated. Thnx!
>>
>> --HM

 

No I hired a ghost writer

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<417431F7.AB8D4589@***.net>...
> And you're still alive?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ufatbasted wrote:
> >
> > I have driven my Liberty 02 since last August from NYC to buffalo and
> > back. over 700 miles round trip three times. Not once during a lane
> > change did I come even close to flipping over. I drove at 75 mph tops
> > if traffic would allow and slowed down of course for construction lane
> > shifts etc. This does not include driving back and forth from
> > vacations, ski trips and vists to pals who live upstate. My Liberty is
> > the pre-lowered version. I have never once felt unstable or unsafe in
> > the Liberty. Fact is I feel much safer in it than in my Mazda Protege
> > which the Liberty replaced as my family vehicle.

 

No I hired a ghost writer

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<417431F7.AB8D4589@***.net>...
> And you're still alive?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ufatbasted wrote:
> >
> > I have driven my Liberty 02 since last August from NYC to buffalo and
> > back. over 700 miles round trip three times. Not once during a lane
> > change did I come even close to flipping over. I drove at 75 mph tops
> > if traffic would allow and slowed down of course for construction lane
> > shifts etc. This does not include driving back and forth from
> > vacations, ski trips and vists to pals who live upstate. My Liberty is
> > the pre-lowered version. I have never once felt unstable or unsafe in
> > the Liberty. Fact is I feel much safer in it than in my Mazda Protege
> > which the Liberty replaced as my family vehicle.

 

No I hired a ghost writer

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<417431F7.AB8D4589@***.net>...
> And you're still alive?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ufatbasted wrote:
> >
> > I have driven my Liberty 02 since last August from NYC to buffalo and
> > back. over 700 miles round trip three times. Not once during a lane
> > change did I come even close to flipping over. I drove at 75 mph tops
> > if traffic would allow and slowed down of course for construction lane
> > shifts etc. This does not include driving back and forth from
> > vacations, ski trips and vists to pals who live upstate. My Liberty is
> > the pre-lowered version. I have never once felt unstable or unsafe in
> > the Liberty. Fact is I feel much safer in it than in my Mazda Protege
> > which the Liberty replaced as my family vehicle.

 

Hi Harold,

Thanks for the update. When you get more details on the fluid leak,
please post, with links to pictures if possible.

Just to set the record straight for poor old Matt, it was he who jumped
to your defense (in a backhanded sort of way) when he perceptively
suggested that you weren't actually a 'troll' but rather simply
'clueless' with regard to usenet etiquette:

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=techcitypc+clueless

Maybe Bill is right and you are indeed 'doing a good job' of trolling
(yes, he meant you) but I doubt it. Regardless, you can't expect people
to take you seriously when you post contradictory information ('Liberty
is gone') and boast about your recklessness ('25 mph curves at just over
50').

Just curious - is the insurance money going toward another Jeep or are
you maybe going to go with an H3 or something similar for high speed
work on the Henry Hudson?

Best wishes for a full recovery and do keep us posted.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


TechCityPC.com wrote:
> Yes, I can admit to when I'm wrong or wreckless as I already have. If this
> would have happened while I was being reckless I probably would not even be
> in the group discussing what happened. I'm sure I contributed to my flip in
> more ways than none. But Rob from Progressive Insurance seems to disagree
> and gave me the following news this morning just gave. Turns out that some
> line to the transmission burst, broke, or what ever, it started spraying
> fluid all over under my car creating my own personal fluid slick that of
> course traveled with me. The kid at Progressive also said that it was the
> reason that every time I tried to correct the car it behaved as if I was
> over correcting. In the end I'm told that a crack up would have occured at
> practicaly any highway speed. And finally I'm told that I was lucky that I
> was "not" speeding because this type of accident usually ends with either a
> cripple or a fatality. I still believe though that if I knew how I could
> have brought the vehicle back under control... But the Progressive guy that
> dismanteled the Liberty said even a pro like Mr. Matt Macchiarolo would have
> cracked up. I guess all that fluid I thought was gasoline was actually
> tranny fluid.
> Hey Matt I recognize that fine family name of yours, it's a shame you stain
> it by speaking the way you do to strangers. The Macchiarolos that I know and
> have met would not be caught dead mistreating, disrespecting, or insulting
> total strangers, it's a shame. Please don't tell me the Macchiarolos that I
> know are not related to you, because like my family name belongs to only my
> family. I know this to be true of the Macchiarolo family name and even
> though you might not know it, but when ever you run into another Macchiarolo
> and dig deep enough you will dicover that person is related to you.
> Anyway there you go: when you "***" "u" "me" (assume) you make an "***" out
> of "you" and "me".
> Be well JEEPsters and thanks for "all" the feed back. Even yours Matt.

 

Hi Harold,

Thanks for the update. When you get more details on the fluid leak,
please post, with links to pictures if possible.

Just to set the record straight for poor old Matt, it was he who jumped
to your defense (in a backhanded sort of way) when he perceptively
suggested that you weren't actually a 'troll' but rather simply
'clueless' with regard to usenet etiquette:

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=techcitypc+clueless

Maybe Bill is right and you are indeed 'doing a good job' of trolling
(yes, he meant you) but I doubt it. Regardless, you can't expect people
to take you seriously when you post contradictory information ('Liberty
is gone') and boast about your recklessness ('25 mph curves at just over
50').

Just curious - is the insurance money going toward another Jeep or are
you maybe going to go with an H3 or something similar for high speed
work on the Henry Hudson?

Best wishes for a full recovery and do keep us posted.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


TechCityPC.com wrote:
> Yes, I can admit to when I'm wrong or wreckless as I already have. If this
> would have happened while I was being reckless I probably would not even be
> in the group discussing what happened. I'm sure I contributed to my flip in
> more ways than none. But Rob from Progressive Insurance seems to disagree
> and gave me the following news this morning just gave. Turns out that some
> line to the transmission burst, broke, or what ever, it started spraying
> fluid all over under my car creating my own personal fluid slick that of
> course traveled with me. The kid at Progressive also said that it was the
> reason that every time I tried to correct the car it behaved as if I was
> over correcting. In the end I'm told that a crack up would have occured at
> practicaly any highway speed. And finally I'm told that I was lucky that I
> was "not" speeding because this type of accident usually ends with either a
> cripple or a fatality. I still believe though that if I knew how I could
> have brought the vehicle back under control... But the Progressive guy that
> dismanteled the Liberty said even a pro like Mr. Matt Macchiarolo would have
> cracked up. I guess all that fluid I thought was gasoline was actually
> tranny fluid.
> Hey Matt I recognize that fine family name of yours, it's a shame you stain
> it by speaking the way you do to strangers. The Macchiarolos that I know and
> have met would not be caught dead mistreating, disrespecting, or insulting
> total strangers, it's a shame. Please don't tell me the Macchiarolos that I
> know are not related to you, because like my family name belongs to only my
> family. I know this to be true of the Macchiarolo family name and even
> though you might not know it, but when ever you run into another Macchiarolo
> and dig deep enough you will dicover that person is related to you.
> Anyway there you go: when you "***" "u" "me" (assume) you make an "***" out
> of "you" and "me".
> Be well JEEPsters and thanks for "all" the feed back. Even yours Matt.

 

Hi Harold,

Thanks for the update. When you get more details on the fluid leak,
please post, with links to pictures if possible.

Just to set the record straight for poor old Matt, it was he who jumped
to your defense (in a backhanded sort of way) when he perceptively
suggested that you weren't actually a 'troll' but rather simply
'clueless' with regard to usenet etiquette:

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=techcitypc+clueless

Maybe Bill is right and you are indeed 'doing a good job' of trolling
(yes, he meant you) but I doubt it. Regardless, you can't expect people
to take you seriously when you post contradictory information ('Liberty
is gone') and boast about your recklessness ('25 mph curves at just over
50').

Just curious - is the insurance money going toward another Jeep or are
you maybe going to go with an H3 or something similar for high speed
work on the Henry Hudson?

Best wishes for a full recovery and do keep us posted.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


TechCityPC.com wrote:
> Yes, I can admit to when I'm wrong or wreckless as I already have. If this
> would have happened while I was being reckless I probably would not even be
> in the group discussing what happened. I'm sure I contributed to my flip in
> more ways than none. But Rob from Progressive Insurance seems to disagree
> and gave me the following news this morning just gave. Turns out that some
> line to the transmission burst, broke, or what ever, it started spraying
> fluid all over under my car creating my own personal fluid slick that of
> course traveled with me. The kid at Progressive also said that it was the
> reason that every time I tried to correct the car it behaved as if I was
> over correcting. In the end I'm told that a crack up would have occured at
> practicaly any highway speed. And finally I'm told that I was lucky that I
> was "not" speeding because this type of accident usually ends with either a
> cripple or a fatality. I still believe though that if I knew how I could
> have brought the vehicle back under control... But the Progressive guy that
> dismanteled the Liberty said even a pro like Mr. Matt Macchiarolo would have
> cracked up. I guess all that fluid I thought was gasoline was actually
> tranny fluid.
> Hey Matt I recognize that fine family name of yours, it's a shame you stain
> it by speaking the way you do to strangers. The Macchiarolos that I know and
> have met would not be caught dead mistreating, disrespecting, or insulting
> total strangers, it's a shame. Please don't tell me the Macchiarolos that I
> know are not related to you, because like my family name belongs to only my
> family. I know this to be true of the Macchiarolo family name and even
> though you might not know it, but when ever you run into another Macchiarolo
> and dig deep enough you will dicover that person is related to you.
> Anyway there you go: when you "***" "u" "me" (assume) you make an "***" out
> of "you" and "me".
> Be well JEEPsters and thanks for "all" the feed back. Even yours Matt.

 

You might look a little harder at your wreck. In every accident
there are two of three things involved, driver error, road conditions,
or mechanical failure.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"TechCityPC.com" wrote:
>
> Yes, I can admit to when I'm wrong or wreckless as I already have. If this
> would have happened while I was being reckless I probably would not even be
> in the group discussing what happened. I'm sure I contributed to my flip in
> more ways than none. But Rob from Progressive Insurance seems to disagree
> and gave me the following news this morning just gave. Turns out that some
> line to the transmission burst, broke, or what ever, it started spraying
> fluid all over under my car creating my own personal fluid slick that of
> course traveled with me. The kid at Progressive also said that it was the
> reason that every time I tried to correct the car it behaved as if I was
> over correcting. In the end I'm told that a crack up would have occured at
> practicaly any highway speed. And finally I'm told that I was lucky that I
> was "not" speeding because this type of accident usually ends with either a
> cripple or a fatality. I still believe though that if I knew how I could
> have brought the vehicle back under control... But the Progressive guy that
> dismanteled the Liberty said even a pro like Mr. Matt Macchiarolo would have
> cracked up. I guess all that fluid I thought was gasoline was actually
> tranny fluid.
> Hey Matt I recognize that fine family name of yours, it's a shame you stain
> it by speaking the way you do to strangers. The Macchiarolos that I know and
> have met would not be caught dead mistreating, disrespecting, or insulting
> total strangers, it's a shame. Please don't tell me the Macchiarolos that I
> know are not related to you, because like my family name belongs to only my
> family. I know this to be true of the Macchiarolo family name and even
> though you might not know it, but when ever you run into another Macchiarolo
> and dig deep enough you will dicover that person is related to you.
> Anyway there you go: when you "***" "u" "me" (assume) you make an "***" out
> of "you" and "me".
> Be well JEEPsters and thanks for "all" the feed back. Even yours Matt.
>
> --HM
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:jOmdnVcJAfcTZuncRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> > Sorry, you win the fool contest. Time to grow up, take responsibility for
> > your own actions, and face the fact that you are a menace behind the
> > wheel,
> > and the world is safer with you in recovery.
> >
> > "TechCityPC.com" <news@techcitypc.com> wrote in message
> > news:s00dd.83490$Ot3.41988@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >> I see your a fool. And I will no long contribute to your stupidity,
> > because
> >> it's worse than mine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >> news:NL-dnXKxm9yqyuncRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> >> > Make sure you call Bill as your first witness at the trial.
> >> >
> >> > "TechCityPC.com" <news@techcitypc.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:2qWcd.173258$4h7.31381424@twister.nyc.rr.com. ..
> >> >> How do I find out if mine was lowered and is this whole lowering thing
> > a
> >> >> recall?
> >> >> When I punch in my vin at the JEEP website and carfax it comes back
> > clean
> >> >> with only one other owner besides me.
> >> >> Were they supposed to lower it before giving it up to me? I myself
> >> >> had
> >> >> taken my Liberty to high speeds with no problems, even the handling
> >> >> seemed
> >> >> good. Are the lowered ones any less problematic than the ones that are
> >> > not?
> >> >> Have you ever driven one that wasn't lowered? You replied are greatly
> >> >> appreciated. Thnx!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --HM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "TechCityPC.com" <news@techcitypc.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:gTScd.82103$Ot3.8352@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >> >> > LOL! Please don't make me laugh it still hurts.
> >> >> > Thanks for the link I hadn't even see that one. I did see the link
> > from
> >> >> > Bill that took me to the Highway Safter site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --HM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:2ti4gpF1vs3b1U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >> >> >> DC got a 2-star rollover rating with the 2002 KJ and later lowered
> > the
> >> >> >> suspension to get a better 3-star rating:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >
> > http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/...kj_lowered.asp
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sounds to me like yours had the 2-star.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Even so, if you persist in driving any SUV like a sports car, the
> >> >> >> Darwinian effect will eventually kick in and remove your DNA from
> > the
> >> >> >> gene pool.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Steve
> >> >> >> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> TechCityPC.com wrote:
> >> >> >>> Ok, I lied. I kept that Liberty. It "was" beautiful in and out. So
> > I
> >> >> >>> couldn't resist keeping it. Well here I am eating crow. To that
> >> >> >>> member
> >> >> >>> that sent me that message coming down hard on me for getting that
> >> >> >>> Liberty, I apologize for my response. I was moving in a full
> >> >> >>> patter
> >> >> >>> at
> >> >> >>> about 55 - 58 mph. I know this because I love to watch how many
> > RPMs
> >> > my
> >> >> >>> engine is cycling at certain speeds and road conditions.Anyway
> >> >> >>> like
> > I
> >> >> >>> said the pattern was full but the traffic flow was great under a
> >> >> >>> perfectly clear moon lit evening. Riding the center lane I decided
> > I
> >> >> >>> wanted an ever slower ride home. So I hit the turn signal and
> > merged
> >> >> >>> right in and as I was completing the lane change I lost total
> > control
> >> > of
> >> >> >>> it. Every steering correction I tried only made it worse. Now I
> > found
> >> >> >>> myself swaying all over the road trying to regain control. Luckily
> > I
> >> > hit
> >> >> >>> no one. In the end the mother F*&#ing <mailto:F@&#ing> was on its
> >> >> >>> side
> >> >> >>> doing the death slide in the middle of a mad traffic and if I
> > recall
> >> >> >>> correctly it slid for about 5 city blocks. bruised almost my
> >> >> >>> entire
> >> >> >>> body, broke one wrist and badly injured the other. You would think
> >> > that
> >> >> >>> after a catastrophic event like that, that at least the driver's
> > air
> >> > bag
> >> >> >>> would deploy. Either way no car should behave like this at these
> >> > speeds
> >> >> >>> and road conditions. This I believe is true just as I believe that
> >> >> >>> Libertys are "NOT!!!" JEEPs! If you own a Liberty you do not own a
> >> > true
> >> >> >>> JEEP. /'walks away with head down in shame'/
> >> >> >>> // --HM
> >> >> >>> P.S. sorry bout any grammatical errors and spellings, it's hard
> >> >> >>> to
> >> > type
> >> >> >>> with thumbs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >