Winches
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Re: Winches
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#532
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Re: Winches
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#533
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Re: Winches
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#534
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Re: Winches
plus bath water would be dirty.
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
#535
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Re: Winches
plus bath water would be dirty.
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
#536
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Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
plus bath water would be dirty.
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
#537
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Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
plus bath water would be dirty.
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
sediments/minerals
> in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > electricity you know
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> argument
> > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
> won't
> > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
> sever
> > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > >
> > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
the
> > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> conduction....
> > >
> > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > >
> > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > >
> > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
under
> > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > >
> > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > >
> > > > [My response to SB]
> > > >
> > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > good conductor.
> > > >
> > > > [SB's post]
> > > >
> > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
> the
> > > cab
> > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> stuff..
> > > >
> > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
> but
> > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
submerged.
> Try
> > > > >it.
> > > >
> > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Bob C.
> > > >
> > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > >
> > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > - Isaac Asimov
>
>
#538
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Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
mine certainly would!!
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zMYjc.13560$eZ5.10468@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>
#539
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
mine certainly would!!
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zMYjc.13560$eZ5.10468@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Winches
mine certainly would!!
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>
"Jo" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zMYjc.13560$eZ5.10468@newsread1.news.pas.eart hlink.net...
> plus bath water would be dirty.
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W%Vjc.8282$huU.5086@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com...
> > Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still
> sediments/minerals
> > in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> > > We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> > > AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> > > dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> > > electricity you know
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
> > argument
> > > > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from
water
> > won't
> > > > let anything run anyhow!!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop
and
> > sever
> > > > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a
better
> > > > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes
> the
> > > > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
> > conduction....
> > > >
> > > > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > > > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work
> under
> > > > > >water, and not short out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > > > >
> > > > > [My response to SB]
> > > > >
> > > > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > > > good conductor.
> > > > >
> > > > > [SB's post]
> > > > >
> > > > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level
in
> > the
> > > > cab
> > > > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
> > stuff..
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their
experiment,
> > but
> > > > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while
> submerged.
> > Try
> > > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > > > >
> > > > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > > > - Isaac Asimov
> >
> >
>
>