Winches
#511
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Re: Winches
Bill, I would try my Warn XD9000i underwater in a quick second if
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#512
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Re: Winches
Bill, I would try my Warn XD9000i underwater in a quick second if
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#513
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Re: Winches
Bill, I would try my Warn XD9000i underwater in a quick second if
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
needed.
It is sealed (no vents) and uses the wire rope drum for the heat
exchanger. It pointedly says you can't use 'rope' on it, it has to be
wire rope for the heat exchanger.
I am thinking it is time to take it apart and regrease the O-rings to
keep the water tight integrity.
Should I be changing my thoughts on my winch? I have no paper work for
it, it was left to me in a Will from our old roommate, may Bruce RIP.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> The motor must be vented for cooling, otherwise it would cook in
> seconds, as energy is heat. I think you'll find the winch made to be
> submerged will have some sort of coolant and heat exchanger.
> I'm glad no one's stupid enough to try their electric winch
> underwater.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#514
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Re: Winches
We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#515
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#516
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#517
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
electricity you know
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other argument
> over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water won't
> let anything run anyhow!!
>
> I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and sever
> that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
>
> And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for conduction....
>
> "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > III <----------@***.net>:
> >
> > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> >
> > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> >
> > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > >water, and not short out.
> >
> > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> >
> > [My response to SB]
> >
> > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > good conductor.
> >
> > [SB's post]
> >
> > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the
> cab
> > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..
> >
> > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> >
> > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
> > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
> > >it.
> >
> > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
#518
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still sediments/minerals
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
#519
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still sediments/minerals
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
#520
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Winches
Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still sediments/minerals
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov