Winches
#521
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Re: Winches
Purified or De-ionized water doesn't....but there's still sediments/minerals
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
in regular freshwater that would still conduct!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409027C2.614D6279@***.net...
> We've all conducted the salt in a glass of water and turned on an
> AC 110 Volt light bulb, experiment. How anyone want to an AC radio
> dropped into the bath tub with them? Fresh water does not conduct
> electricity you know
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > ok...but since all things run from teh battery (unless the other
argument
> > over hydraulic wins here) then having the battery short out from water
won't
> > let anything run anyhow!!
> >
> > I'm not sure about connectors shorting out, if the fuses will pop and
sever
> > that short...but definately from one terminal to the other it would.
> >
> > And as far as salt water vs regular water.... Salt water is a better
> > conductor but I'm sure water is still a pretty good one. sometimes the
> > dirty grungy water will work just as good as salt water for
conduction....
> >
> > "Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
> > news:317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
> > > in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
> > > III <----------@***.net>:
> > >
> > > [Converted to bottom-post for readability]
> > >
> > > >Bob Casanova wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
> > > >> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?
> > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
> > > >water, and not short out.
> > >
> > > Nope; sorry. The exchange was:
> > >
> > > [My response to SB]
> > >
> > > Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
> > > good conductor.
> > >
> > > [SB's post]
> > >
> > > >But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
> > > >terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in
the
> > cab
> > > >getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and
stuff..
> > >
> > > So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> > > battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
> > >
> > > > Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
> > > >give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment,
but
> > > >your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged.
Try
> > > >it.
> > >
> > > No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
> > > insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
> > > just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
> > > started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
> > > shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
> > > system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Bob C.
> > >
> > > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > > (without the spaces, of course)
> > >
> > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > > - Isaac Asimov
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Re: Winches
In <317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com> Bob Casanova wrote:
> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
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> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
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In <317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com> Bob Casanova wrote:
> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
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> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
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Re: Winches
In <317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com> Bob Casanova wrote:
> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
8^)
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> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
8^)
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Re: Winches
In <317090tglioqmem5gdmkqki4s425ejboht@4ax.com> Bob Casanova wrote:
> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
8^)
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> So the question was whether water will "short out" a
> battery; he didn't say anything about winches.
<much snippage>
I'm sure there are other newsgroups where you can get wenching lessons
from Casanova but I don't think they are anything like this group.
8^)
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Re: Winches
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
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http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
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Re: Winches
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
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Re: Winches
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
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Re: Winches
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> It is sealed (no vents)
you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
know of no water proof electric winch.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
"....a talking bird is a freak" - Mr. Ed
#530
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Re: Winches
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409026BF.526B0199@sympatico.ca...
> > It is sealed (no vents)
>
> you _sure_ about that? water resistant yeah......water resistant will keep
> water out while fording. it wont keep water out if submerged though. i
> know of no water proof electric winch.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
You are likely right, I still would try it!
I have been submerged in my Jeep and big time sunk in an old Volvo 240
GLT on a river crossing up in the Northern Ontario Bush and both times I
used the starter with the vehicle in 2nd gear to get out of the river to
dry land.
Those starters were 'way' submerged both times!!!
I figure a starter motor is going to be drawing a ---- load more amps to
move the vehicle on the ring gear than a winch motor on a spool....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's