Jerry McG

Ok, so several years ago I was scanning the local paper (the Durango Herald)
and checking the 4x4 want ads for the occasional diamond in the rough CJ or
FJ40 Land Cruiser that pops up from time to time. I came across what was
perhaps the best Toyota ever available in the Four Corners: Right there in
the classified it said it was equipped with "Worn Wench".

Hey, at my age I'll take her, worn or not!!!!


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I'm goin' home to slap your mama, you didn't come from my loins.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Heh, I'm 37 now, but still like Smokey and the Bandit.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Jerry McG

Ok, so several years ago I was scanning the local paper (the Durango Herald)
and checking the 4x4 want ads for the occasional diamond in the rough CJ or
FJ40 Land Cruiser that pops up from time to time. I came across what was
perhaps the best Toyota ever available in the Four Corners: Right there in
the classified it said it was equipped with "Worn Wench".

Hey, at my age I'll take her, worn or not!!!!


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:408EA040.E4ED274C@***.net...
> I'm goin' home to slap your mama, you didn't come from my loins.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Heh, I'm 37 now, but still like Smokey and the Bandit.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Jerry McG

Ok, so several years ago I was scanning the local paper (the Durango Herald)
and checking the 4x4 want ads for the occasional diamond in the rough CJ or
FJ40 Land Cruiser that pops up from time to time. I came across what was
perhaps the best Toyota ever available in the Four Corners: Right there in
the classified it said it was equipped with "Worn Wench".

Hey, at my age I'll take her, worn or not!!!!


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:408EA040.E4ED274C@***.net...
> I'm goin' home to slap your mama, you didn't come from my loins.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Heh, I'm 37 now, but still like Smokey and the Bandit.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

In looking for winches that would run underwater, I found many
years of Jeeps underwater:
http://www.truckworld.com/Stuck-Of-T...ck-trucks.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

In looking for winches that would run underwater, I found many
years of Jeeps underwater:
http://www.truckworld.com/Stuck-Of-T...ck-trucks.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

In looking for winches that would run underwater, I found many
years of Jeeps underwater:
http://www.truckworld.com/Stuck-Of-T...ck-trucks.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

In looking for winches that would run underwater, I found many
years of Jeeps underwater:
http://www.truckworld.com/Stuck-Of-T...ck-trucks.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bob Casanova

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
III <----------@***.net>:

[Converted to bottom-post for readability]

>Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
>> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?

> I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
>water, and not short out.

Nope; sorry. The exchange was:

[My response to SB]

Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
good conductor.

[SB's post]

>But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
>terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the cab
>getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..

So the question was whether water will "short out" a
battery; he didn't say anything about winches.

> Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
>give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
>your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
>it.

No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.

--

Bob C.

Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

Bob Casanova

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
III <----------@***.net>:

[Converted to bottom-post for readability]

>Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
>> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?

> I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
>water, and not short out.

Nope; sorry. The exchange was:

[My response to SB]

Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
good conductor.

[SB's post]

>But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
>terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the cab
>getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..

So the question was whether water will "short out" a
battery; he didn't say anything about winches.

> Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
>give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
>your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
>it.

No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.

--

Bob C.

Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

Bob Casanova

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:34:37 -0700, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by L.W.(ßill) ------
III <----------@***.net>:

[Converted to bottom-post for readability]

>Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, but what does that have to do with my post, which
>> was an answer to whether water will "short out" a battery?

> I thought we were talking about whether a winch would work under
>water, and not short out.

Nope; sorry. The exchange was:

[My response to SB]

Saltwater will. Freshwater (usually) won't; it's not a very
good conductor.

[SB's post]

>But really....if the water level got to the height of the battery
>terminals...wouldn't that short it out? forget the water level in the cab
>getting in to those cheesy connectors that we put on our CB's and stuff..

So the question was whether water will "short out" a
battery; he didn't say anything about winches.

> Of course it will, the answer is yes. Some may
>give you some high school BS about adding salt to their experiment, but
>your winch most definitely will not complete a pull while submerged. Try
>it.

No, thanks. Even in distilled water (which is a damn good
insulator, and wouldn't cause direct *electrical* problems
just by its presence) you'd have problems when the motor
started, at the commutators and perhaps elsewhere. It
shouldn't be too hard for a manufacturer to create a sealed
system, though; it's done all the time for shipboard use.

--

Bob C.

Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov