Willys/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40E2D4D6.4651FAD7@sympatico.ca>...
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
> So will just any old kind of 'fuel' work in a Jeep diesel then?
No. Each diesel engine has a set of requirements as to fuel that
won't cause damage. But there are different possible fuels that will
within those requirements work. If you have a specific fuel you want
to burn, get the engine manual and read it. Some engines will burn a
wider variety than others. It's just like a gasoline engine: an old
Model A will burn various kinds of garbage "gas" that would kill any
modern car engine.
Generally, Jet A is safe in diesels. I'm not guaranteeing it is, if
you get a batch that's low cetane, you possibly have bought a new set
of pistons, and neither the engine maker nor the fuel vendor will
listen to complaints. If you buy it as Diesel fuel and it happens-and
it has-you have a case, if you can prove that's what did it. I have
driven diesel cars (and fuel trucks) on Jet-A and flown in turbine
aircraft-legally and otherwise-on Diesel fuels and in neither case
worried too much.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Most of your ideas are totally wrong. I don't have my licenses at
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Most of your ideas are totally wrong. I don't have my licenses at
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
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Re: ******/Ford Engine Swap? Possible?
Most of your ideas are totally wrong. I don't have my licenses at
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
hand right now to take a pictures of, they packed deep in the attic
along with a ton of business licenses and other related plaques. Here is
a picture of my Chevron with the yellow pages advertisement eluding to
the fact that one of my licenses was for SMOG:
http://www.----------.com/oscilloscope.jpg and
http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg
I like your idea to add kerosene, though, I think everyone with a
diesel should do that.
Now would you mind posting a picture of your licenses.
What was the name you used to troll with before May?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Ted Azito wrote:
>
> Bill is a little dense. That's all I can say, he does not read
> correctly what I wrote and, further, keeps posting the same link to a
> web page that isn't the whole story-it's a very generalized picture
> for school kids.
>
> I have wrenched on both Diesel and Gas Turbine engines and Bill,
> apparently, has not. I know pretty well what you can and can't get
> away with fuelwise because I've seen the disasters.
>
> Diesel fuel in turbines is usually OK, if temps are watched, short
> term. If the environmental freeze and coking points aren't
> exceeded,etc. Helos and small turboprops in the warmer climates, this
> isn't a problem. Avgas in turbines is (generally) bad. Gas turbines
> are to a goodly extent, naturally multifuel engines and aviation fuels
> are more engineered for the environment than the engine itself. Ground
> gas turbines are often "good to go with anything that will burn".
>
> I don't know why anyone would pick 115/145 for jet use if 80/87 or
> 100LL were available, or #1 Diesel, or in Mississippi in summer #2
> Diesel if you kept below FL 200. All aviation gasolines are the same
> except for lead content. The less the better (for turbines).
>
> Kero is OK in diesels as long as lubricity is met (add oil) and
> cetane requirements are something like in bounds. Cetane requirements
> for Diesels differ with different engines, just like octane rating in
> spark engines. Some diesels will eat K-1 straight,some with a little
> oil, some don't like it at all. Almost all diesels are OK with up to
> 20-30% in #2 diesel, because that's how the stations "winterize" it.
> Gasoline is NOT OK in diesel engines, although most will tolerate ten
> or twenty percent unleaded gas (TEL is a cetane killer)in #2 as long
> as it doesn't get out of suspension, "slug" the pump, and tear it up.
> Some diesels will tolerate a lot more-but they're your pump,
> injectors, pistons and valves and not mine. I have NEVER put gasoline
> in a diesel personally, although I know of gensets that were run on
> barrels drained out of a truck where someone had added a bunch of gas
> by mistake, and didn't miss a beat.
>
> Jet fuels-except the JP-7 which went the way of the SR-are _NOT_
> straight kerosene. Your chart is full of ----. They are a wide cut of
> 16-chain hydrocarbons which vary a lot as long as the ASTM
> requirements are met. (JP-4 is 8-chain hydrocarbons, which is why it's
> called a wide cut gasoline and not a kerosene). JP-5/Jet-A is far
> better for diesel use than K-1, and generally fine. I know many people
> that bought old beater diesel cars and run them on nothing but
> drained-out jet fuel. As long as they don't get a batch contaminated
> with Skydrol or avgas they run forever.
>
> Bill, if you tell me any of this is wrong, you're full of ---- and an
> old hard-on talking out his ***. Put up a photo of your A&P license on
> that web page and I'll maybe be more inclined to explain all this.
> I've made it as simple as I can and you seem not to be able to
> understand.
