Why Jeeps suck.
08-14-2003, 01:04 AM
#41
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
>
> Jeep can't help it you bought the hype and didn't know what you were doing!
> You simply didn't research your selection and bought a poser. That was
> _YOUR_ mistake and _YOUR_ problem. YOU bought the WRONG JEEP!
So, Chrysler isn't resposnible for me believing what they told me?
It's my fault that I should assume everything in their literature is
-------- and I didn't?
Fine. As I said, I will never again buy a DaimlerChrylser vehicle.
Their E500 Sedan looks nice, but that is only if one assumes that they
come with seats and an engine and paintjob. I woudln't want to make
it MY problem that I bought the WRONG car, stupidly assuming that it
acutally came with those parts just because it is shown in the
commercials, expressed in their literature, and promised to me by the
dealer.
> Jeep can't help it you bought the hype and didn't know what you were doing!
> You simply didn't research your selection and bought a poser. That was
> _YOUR_ mistake and _YOUR_ problem. YOU bought the WRONG JEEP!
So, Chrysler isn't resposnible for me believing what they told me?
It's my fault that I should assume everything in their literature is
-------- and I didn't?
Fine. As I said, I will never again buy a DaimlerChrylser vehicle.
Their E500 Sedan looks nice, but that is only if one assumes that they
come with seats and an engine and paintjob. I woudln't want to make
it MY problem that I bought the WRONG car, stupidly assuming that it
acutally came with those parts just because it is shown in the
commercials, expressed in their literature, and promised to me by the
dealer.
08-14-2003, 01:06 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com (Earle Horton, Student Nurse) wrote in message news:<c4fb6539.0308131438.10a08c3a@posting.google. com>...
> kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote in message news:<c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google. com>...
> > I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> > offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> > jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> > as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> > absolutely worthless off-road.
> >
> This is beautiful, but I have some questions.
>
> Ken, are you a Liberty basher who made this all up to "dis"
> DaimlerChrysler Corporation?
>
> If this is all true, then where did you learn to drive? I have seen
> Honda CRVs on the "intermediate" to "expert" trails above Silverton,
> CO, where I live. These are by no means hard core rock crawling
> trails, but definitely qualify as "off-road," at least in my book.
> You gotta watch what's in front of you and feel what's underneath, and
> then you won't go losing your exhaust system like you did.
>
> Earle
No, and I drive just fine, thank you for asking.
> kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote in message news:<c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google. com>...
> > I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> > offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> > jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> > as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> > absolutely worthless off-road.
> >
> This is beautiful, but I have some questions.
>
> Ken, are you a Liberty basher who made this all up to "dis"
> DaimlerChrysler Corporation?
>
> If this is all true, then where did you learn to drive? I have seen
> Honda CRVs on the "intermediate" to "expert" trails above Silverton,
> CO, where I live. These are by no means hard core rock crawling
> trails, but definitely qualify as "off-road," at least in my book.
> You gotta watch what's in front of you and feel what's underneath, and
> then you won't go losing your exhaust system like you did.
>
> Earle
No, and I drive just fine, thank you for asking.
08-14-2003, 01:10 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
> You wouldn't buy a compact car if you wanted a vehicle to haul
> things with would you?
I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
cargo hauling vehicle.
> things with would you?
I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
cargo hauling vehicle.
08-14-2003, 01:29 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
your in the wrong place to stop people here from buying Jeeps. Although man
of us own non DC jeeps Many more own DC built products, and it would take
more than someone taken to the cleaners by an unscroupulous salesman (not
many of those) to change our minds...
PS thanks for the laughs.
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308132109.642aa7f1@posting.google.c om...
> Bill Price <bprice@volcano.net> wrote in message
news:<vjlhropj75edbd@corp.supernews.com>...
> > I still suspect this is a rough draft of a posting that we will see in
> > final form next April 1. What, in this newsgroup context, is a "troll"?
> >
>
>
> *shrug* Think what you want. I am relating my experiences openly and
> honestly. Agree, disagree, make fun of me for not being as wise as
> you, whatever. I've said my 2 cents worth and if it stops one single
> person from buying a Chrysler/Jeep/Liberty it will make me feel
> better. Actually, it made me feel better just to type it all out,
> even if all of you people just want to sneer at me for it.
of us own non DC jeeps Many more own DC built products, and it would take
more than someone taken to the cleaners by an unscroupulous salesman (not
many of those) to change our minds...
PS thanks for the laughs.
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308132109.642aa7f1@posting.google.c om...
> Bill Price <bprice@volcano.net> wrote in message
news:<vjlhropj75edbd@corp.supernews.com>...
> > I still suspect this is a rough draft of a posting that we will see in
> > final form next April 1. What, in this newsgroup context, is a "troll"?
> >
>
>
> *shrug* Think what you want. I am relating my experiences openly and
> honestly. Agree, disagree, make fun of me for not being as wise as
> you, whatever. I've said my 2 cents worth and if it stops one single
> person from buying a Chrysler/Jeep/Liberty it will make me feel
> better. Actually, it made me feel better just to type it all out,
> even if all of you people just want to sneer at me for it.
08-14-2003, 01:31 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Well they do it on the commercial?"
Where do the get the gas to go that far???
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:td2cncZXH-SQf6eiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> Approximately 8/13/03 11:55, Frank Sawin uttered for posterity:
>
> > Too bad you didn't start with this group, instead of ending with it... A
few
> > questions about which Jeep to buy could have saved you a lot of
trouble... You
> > bought the wrong model...
> > Frank Sawin
>
> Yeah, let him trade it on a Ford Explorer and drive it out on the
> icecap waiting for a submarine to appear.
>
Where do the get the gas to go that far???
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:td2cncZXH-SQf6eiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> Approximately 8/13/03 11:55, Frank Sawin uttered for posterity:
>
> > Too bad you didn't start with this group, instead of ending with it... A
few
> > questions about which Jeep to buy could have saved you a lot of
trouble... You
> > bought the wrong model...
> > Frank Sawin
>
> Yeah, let him trade it on a Ford Explorer and drive it out on the
> icecap waiting for a submarine to appear.
>
08-14-2003, 02:42 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Kenneth Garman" wrote ...
> I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
> advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
> cargo hauling vehicle.
Perhaps you should do more research on your intended vehicle than just
watching the ads on TV...
> I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
> advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
> cargo hauling vehicle.
Perhaps you should do more research on your intended vehicle than just
watching the ads on TV...
08-14-2003, 06:24 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck (with a side order of ATV talk).
"Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@A0L.com> wrote in message :
: > What do you think of the Yamaha Grizzly 660? I'm sceptical of the IRS
but
: I
: > like the power... I may settle for a Kodiak 450 if I buy anything at
all.
:
: unlike jeeping, IRS on a utility quad is exactly what you want. atv's
that
: dont have IRS use a swing arm that has ZERO articulation. based on this,
: the IRS is superior. the exception to this being the old arctic cat line
: (which is what i have, up through '02) uses an axle set up very similar to
a
: tj (solid axle with 4 control arms and no swing arm). this worked very
well
: but was dropped in favor of 4 wheel independent suspension because thats
: what the market demands.
:
: to answer your question, the grizzly 660 is an AWESOME utility quad, i
: wouldnt hesitate to get one for a second. in fact, the yamaha rhino that
im
: getting when theyre available in october
: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...?lid=12&lc=sxs is based
: on the 660 drivetrain.
:
I have about 10 minutes experience with the IRS on the 660 and it felt
squishy - I rode it in the parking lot at the dealer. What I noticed was
when taking fairly sharp turns you would get too much body roll and you had
to corner more like a 3-wheeler than a quad. Typically with a quad, the
outside front dives and the inside rear dangles on a hard corner and you
have a better feel for its limitations. With the Grizzly, you get full body
roll to the outside and by the time you reach the point of no return, there
is nothing you can do to save it. I'm sure with technique and experiance you
could throw the Grizzly around like a swingarm setup but it's not foolproof.
At 30-40 km/h the Grizzly felt REALLY squishy. I know it's not a racer but I
had a Kodiak 400 doing 85 km/h on a loose gravel / sandy trail and it felt
like it was on rails. I was also REALLY impressed with its lateral
stability... while climbing one of those trails we all avoid in the Jeeps -
45 degree incline taken at a 45 degree angle... there were moments I was at
full lock right to keep moving and I never once felt like it was going to
dump. There is no way in hell I'd try that with IRS.
Granted, the IRS would excell in really rugged terrain... logs/rocks... but
I think the Kodiak 450 might be a better fit for me. I like technical trails
AND flat out 2wd white knuckle fun! Maybe I need a Raptor AND a Grizzly LOL.
-Brian
08-14-2003, 07:11 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Overactive gullibility gland... bought the advertising AND the sales pitch.
How old are you?
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308132110.13e0212@posting.google.co m...
> > You wouldn't buy a compact car if you wanted a vehicle to haul
> > things with would you?
>
> I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
> advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
> cargo hauling vehicle.
How old are you?
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308132110.13e0212@posting.google.co m...
> > You wouldn't buy a compact car if you wanted a vehicle to haul
> > things with would you?
>
> I might, and so would a lot of other people, if the car was repeatedly
> advertised and proclaimed by the manufacturer as a super-duper amazing
> cargo hauling vehicle.
08-14-2003, 07:41 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
In article <PNA_a.38926$It3.1114190@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote:
> "Sump" <dsump85@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f3a9ef7_3@athena.netset.com...
> > Real Jeeps are built not bought.
> Don't start that crap again!!!!
Hey, my TJ didn't hatch from an egg, so even if I didn't build it,
someone did...
"Richard Harris" <SHARRIS11@san.rr.com> wrote:
> "Sump" <dsump85@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3f3a9ef7_3@athena.netset.com...
> > Real Jeeps are built not bought.
> Don't start that crap again!!!!
Hey, my TJ didn't hatch from an egg, so even if I didn't build it,
someone did...
08-14-2003, 07:43 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
In article <c7ff7456.0308132056.67c8579d@posting.google.com >,
kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
> Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
> please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
> the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
> line?
Why should they? Chrysler is expected to do one thing, and that's try to
sell product. Educating people is far, far behind that in importance. A
sale's a sale.
kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
> Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
> please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
> the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
> line?
Why should they? Chrysler is expected to do one thing, and that's try to
sell product. Educating people is far, far behind that in importance. A
sale's a sale.
