Why Jeeps suck.
08-17-2003, 11:12 AM
#101
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
I don't know how you thought a light bar, tubular side steps, or a hood
cover would keep you from getting stuck.
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!
cover would keep you from getting stuck.
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!
08-17-2003, 12:31 PM
#102
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
In article <OXM%a.167865$Ho3.19217@sccrnsc03>, "brids5" <brids5@mchsi.com>
writes:
>I don't know how you thought a light bar, tubular side steps, or a hood
>cover would keep you from getting stuck.
Yup, statements like that tend to set off my troll alarm....
Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon and
compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall parking
lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and levers."
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
writes:
>I don't know how you thought a light bar, tubular side steps, or a hood
>cover would keep you from getting stuck.
Yup, statements like that tend to set off my troll alarm....
Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon and
compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall parking
lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and levers."
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
08-17-2003, 05:08 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Matt Macchiarolo" wrote ...
> Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon
and
> compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall
parking
> lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and
levers."
Speed bumps in local mall parking lot? Hmmm... Rubicon... Speed bumps are
yellow... Oh, I know... They were using it to climb over yellow VW bugs!
> Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon
and
> compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall
parking
> lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and
levers."
Speed bumps in local mall parking lot? Hmmm... Rubicon... Speed bumps are
yellow... Oh, I know... They were using it to climb over yellow VW bugs!
08-17-2003, 05:11 PM
#104
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Ok...
I have posted them at:
alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
Cracked the bikes body shell up bad, but not the driver.
I also posted the one of the tire getting blown off the rim, someone got
it pretty good.
Mike
LAFFERTY@austin.rr.com wrote:
>
> show us the photos, show us the photos!!!
>
> >
> > My wife blew a week old tire off on a sand pit wall climb once
> > though... I have had ATV's flip trying to follow me in my CJ7 up one
> > pit wall, that was a sport bike of some type though.... Got photos....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I have posted them at:
alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
Cracked the bikes body shell up bad, but not the driver.
I also posted the one of the tire getting blown off the rim, someone got
it pretty good.
Mike
LAFFERTY@austin.rr.com wrote:
>
> show us the photos, show us the photos!!!
>
> >
> > My wife blew a week old tire off on a sand pit wall climb once
> > though... I have had ATV's flip trying to follow me in my CJ7 up one
> > pit wall, that was a sport bike of some type though.... Got photos....
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
08-17-2003, 05:20 PM
#105
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote ...
> > Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon
> and
> > compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall
> parking
> > lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and
> levers."
>
> Speed bumps in local mall parking lot? Hmmm... Rubicon... Speed bumps are
> yellow... Oh, I know... They were using it to climb over yellow VW bugs!
Naw it was a really good April Fools joke that suckered a lot of folks
for two or three weeks.
It was pretty hilarious.
Definitely not a 'troll' post though.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote ...
> > Reminds me of the troll awhile back about the couple that bought a Rubicon
> and
> > compained about the stiff ride over the speed bumps in the local mall
> parking
> > lot where they were "testing out all the 4 wheel drive switches and
> levers."
>
> Speed bumps in local mall parking lot? Hmmm... Rubicon... Speed bumps are
> yellow... Oh, I know... They were using it to climb over yellow VW bugs!
Naw it was a really good April Fools joke that suckered a lot of folks
for two or three weeks.
It was pretty hilarious.
Definitely not a 'troll' post though.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
08-17-2003, 10:17 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
> shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
hi mike,
while not minimizing your statements about the flipping, both quads pictured
appear to be honda 400 ex (2wd sport quads). the thing about a 400 ex is
that you can be riding on totally flat ground and hit the throttle hard and
flip backwards. literally :-) the 400ex has a _very_ light front end and
when combined with a torquey engine you can pull the front off the ground in
nearly any gear just by hitting the throttle. i used to ride with a group
that included 3 or 4 of the 400 ex's. i stopped riding with them because
they combine to much alcohol with their high speed antics and i didnt want
to see anybody get hurt or killed (just a matter of time).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F3FEF96.78A6338F@sympatico.ca...
> I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
> shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
hi mike,
while not minimizing your statements about the flipping, both quads pictured
appear to be honda 400 ex (2wd sport quads). the thing about a 400 ex is
that you can be riding on totally flat ground and hit the throttle hard and
flip backwards. literally :-) the 400ex has a _very_ light front end and
when combined with a torquey engine you can pull the front off the ground in
nearly any gear just by hitting the throttle. i used to ride with a group
that included 3 or 4 of the 400 ex's. i stopped riding with them because
they combine to much alcohol with their high speed antics and i didnt want
to see anybody get hurt or killed (just a matter of time).
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
08-18-2003, 08:08 AM
#107
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
I didn't know they even made 2 WD ATV's!
There was one bigger one that I didn't get a good photo of. It was a
much 'heavier' looking unit and had no problem walking up that wall.
The one that flipped was a pretty flimsy and light front end one.
Mike
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F3FEF96.78A6338F@sympatico.ca...
> > I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
> > shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
>
> hi mike,
> while not minimizing your statements about the flipping, both quads pictured
> appear to be honda 400 ex (2wd sport quads). the thing about a 400 ex is
> that you can be riding on totally flat ground and hit the throttle hard and
> flip backwards. literally :-) the 400ex has a _very_ light front end and
> when combined with a torquey engine you can pull the front off the ground in
> nearly any gear just by hitting the throttle. i used to ride with a group
> that included 3 or 4 of the 400 ex's. i stopped riding with them because
> they combine to much alcohol with their high speed antics and i didnt want
> to see anybody get hurt or killed (just a matter of time).
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
There was one bigger one that I didn't get a good photo of. It was a
much 'heavier' looking unit and had no problem walking up that wall.
The one that flipped was a pretty flimsy and light front end one.
Mike
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F3FEF96.78A6338F@sympatico.ca...
> > I didn't get the ATV flipping, my digital camera was loading the first
> > shot when he went over and I dropped it and ran to see if he was ok.
>
> hi mike,
> while not minimizing your statements about the flipping, both quads pictured
> appear to be honda 400 ex (2wd sport quads). the thing about a 400 ex is
> that you can be riding on totally flat ground and hit the throttle hard and
> flip backwards. literally :-) the 400ex has a _very_ light front end and
> when combined with a torquey engine you can pull the front off the ground in
> nearly any gear just by hitting the throttle. i used to ride with a group
> that included 3 or 4 of the 400 ex's. i stopped riding with them because
> they combine to much alcohol with their high speed antics and i didnt want
> to see anybody get hurt or killed (just a matter of time).
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
02-16-2004, 05:58 AM
#108
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
I would like to point out that if you so kindly go to the JEEPS website, www.jeep.com, you will see that the GC and Liberty is included (I'm sure it's not just to take up space). Then if you take a look at the "trail rated" crap, you will also see the Liberty driving over, through and up everything the Wrangler and GC is. You will also note the Wrangler having trouble getting up the hill (spinning). You will also note the Liberty is the ONLY one of the Jeep products not smacking it's butt on the ground clearance test. In real life. Seen both. Granted, the Wrangler looks more offroad ready then the 4wd toaster but looks isn't everything. Go to www.4x4movies.com, clock on movies, click on rockclimbing then H2 carnige. Goes to show that it looks touch but is a ----- cat. The Lib looks like a cream puff but it will kick butt (and mud) anyday. Nuff said.
02-16-2004, 05:58 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
I would like to point out that if you so kindly go to the JEEPS website, www.jeep.com, you will see that the GC and Liberty is included (I'm sure it's not just to take up space). Then if you take a look at the "trail rated" crap, you will also see the Liberty driving over, through and up everything the Wrangler and GC is. You will also note the Wrangler having trouble getting up the hill (spinning). You will also note the Liberty is the ONLY one of the Jeep products not smacking it's butt on the ground clearance test. In real life. Seen both. Granted, the Wrangler looks more offroad ready then the 4wd toaster but looks isn't everything. Go to www.4x4movies.com, clock on movies, click on rockclimbing then H2 carnige. Goes to show that it looks touch but is a ----- cat. The Lib looks like a cream puff but it will kick butt (and mud) anyday. Nuff said.
02-16-2004, 05:58 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
I would like to point out that if you so kindly go to the JEEPS website, www.jeep.com, you will see that the GC and Liberty is included (I'm sure it's not just to take up space). Then if you take a look at the "trail rated" crap, you will also see the Liberty driving over, through and up everything the Wrangler and GC is. You will also note the Wrangler having trouble getting up the hill (spinning). You will also note the Liberty is the ONLY one of the Jeep products not smacking it's butt on the ground clearance test. In real life. Seen both. Granted, the Wrangler looks more offroad ready then the 4wd toaster but looks isn't everything. Go to www.4x4movies.com, clock on movies, click on rockclimbing then H2 carnige. Goes to show that it looks touch but is a ----- cat. The Lib looks like a cream puff but it will kick butt (and mud) anyday. Nuff said.
