Nathan W. Collier

"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3f3ab321$0$13066$a04e5680@nnrp.fuse.net...
> Hummers aren't any better off-road for most
> conditions than a stock Wrangler.

agreed. the only reason the hummer is at all capable off road is due to its
37" tires (civilian version, 36" military).


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Dave Milne

Why do you think owners of Jeeps, Land Rovers (and everybody else who goes
offroad) buy offroad armour before they go on rocks ? What did you think you
were buying ? A Tank ? Although I have never driven a Liberty (and dont
particularly like them), I am sure they will do just great in your average
muddy track ; just dont bash them off boulders.

Jeeps don't get stuck - people do.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
Finally a
: particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
: Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
: less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
: addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
: damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
: obvious.)

Eric

You bought a Liberty. What do you expect? Jeeps are GREAT off-road. A KJ
bears the Jeep badge, but doesn't qualify as a "Jeep" in the way most people
talk about them.

Before talking off-road prowess with a sale-guy, I'd insist on seeing his
vehicle and pics of it on a trail somewhere. Otherwise, I'd know he was
just blowing smoke.

Eric
"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Me three.
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TJim wrote:
>
> Yeah, me too. I started to type a reply an thought, "What the heck, this is
> too easy!" No one would be that gullible and then post a story like that in
> the one place he should have checked before he shelled out all that money
> for a station wagon...
> ...trolls don't smell too good, neither!!! :wrinkles up nose:
> Jeeps are fine. Trolls suck.

Earle Horton, Student Nurse

kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote in message news:<c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google. com>...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
This is beautiful, but I have some questions.

Ken, are you a Liberty basher who made this all up to "dis"
DaimlerChrysler Corporation?

If this is all true, then where did you learn to drive? I have seen
Honda CRVs on the "intermediate" to "expert" trails above Silverton,
CO, where I live. These are by no means hard core rock crawling
trails, but definitely qualify as "off-road," at least in my book.
You gotta watch what's in front of you and feel what's underneath, and
then you won't go losing your exhaust system like you did.

Earle

Elflan

>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.

2nd mistake,(the first being not lurking here before buying)


so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.

3rd mistake. I can't believe the sales guy kept a straight face
through the whole pitch. Did he sell you some of that Mopar Headlight
Fluid while he was at it?

>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab.

I wouldn't have a go at Moab with a stock Anything.
Everheard of walk before you "crawl"?

I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous;
No, you're ridiculous. sorry.
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!"


I protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous."

If the sales guy was honest, he'd have told you "NOT to be
ridiculous", BEFORE he sold you the Liberty.

These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."

He means Liberty.
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!


You'll probably sell it for a lot less than you should too.
Next time,how about researching the product before you go out to buy.

I don't mean to be harsh but you did provoke me with your subject
line.

Monte Castleman

In article <vjl4dssu5l8c8@corp.supernews.com>, beerman@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>This is EXACTLY what we have been saying on this board for a year now.
>
>The Liberty is a fine vehicle for occasional offroading, the the engine
>configuration is tilted towards favoring highway speeds, not rockcrawling
>speeds, and the front suspension is also tilted towards favoring the highway
>and not back roads.
>
>Sorry this was such an expensive lesson for you, but it is precisely what
>the offroad community has been predicting. DC should have kept the Cherokee
>in the line up, and offered the Liberty as a less capable alternative.
>
I wonder what kind of market there would be for a replacement for the
Cherokee. I like mine a lot, and DC doesn't really have a new truck that fits
my needs. A Liberty or Wrangler is too small for sleeping in, which I like to
do, and a Grand is too expensive. The Cherokee was great for people that
wanted a versatile, no-frills utility vehicle.

Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address

Bill Price

I still suspect this is a rough draft of a posting that we will see in
final form next April 1. What, in this newsgroup context, is a "troll"?

Elflan wrote:

>>About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.
>
>
> 2nd mistake,(the first being not lurking here before buying)
>
>
> so I let the dealer talk me into
>
>>all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
>>light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
>>nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
>>dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
>>go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
>
> 3rd mistake. I can't believe the sales guy kept a straight face
> through the whole pitch. Did he sell you some of that Mopar Headlight
> Fluid while he was at it?
>
>
>>Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
>>off for Moab.
>
>
> I wouldn't have a go at Moab with a stock Anything.
> Everheard of walk before you "crawl"?
>
> I got stuck repeatedly. I
>
>>understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
>>but this was ridiculous;
>
> No, you're ridiculous. sorry.
>
>>Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
>>wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
>>advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!"
>
>
>
> I protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
>
>>bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
>>the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous."
>
>
> If the sales guy was honest, he'd have told you "NOT to be
> ridiculous", BEFORE he sold you the Liberty.
>
> These Jeeps are not
>
>>intended for serious off road use."
>
>
> He means Liberty.
>
>>So there you have it, direct from the official designated
>>representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
>>Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
>>off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
>>on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>>
>>I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
>>piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
>>should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
>>manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
>>again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>>
>>I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
>>other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
>>pieces of junk!
>
>
>
> You'll probably sell it for a lot less than you should too.
> Next time,how about researching the product before you go out to buy.
>
> I don't mean to be harsh but you did provoke me with your subject
> line.

Brian

I thought about reading this thread, then I thought the better of it.
Why bother? It's a blatant troll.

B

--
Brian Heller

It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.

Nathan W. Collier

"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastle@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:vjlgbd73q9ii67@corp.supernews.com...
> The Cherokee was great for people that
> wanted a versatile, no-frills utility vehicle.

hell yes! it will be missed.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com