Why Jeeps suck.
08-13-2003, 07:56 PM
#31
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Kenneth Garman wrote:
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
<ahem>Rubicon</ahem> is trailworthy from the git-go. Odds are for
what you shoveled into that libby you could have had a real offroad
vehicle with tons of capablity.
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials.
The same commercials that show a ZJ emerging from the bottom of a pond
or the one that shows a pickup truck towing a CAT 450 Heavy Loader?
> I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That says it all --------------/\
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover.
Apart from the light bar, the rest are NOT recommended accessories for
off-roading. Especially silly tubular side steps as they reduce ground
clearance by a good 4-5 inches. What the flop a hood cover has to do
with offroading eludes me. Just more stuff to trap dirt against paint.
> I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
Then why didn't you buy a Rubicon?
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place.
They do that. Bet you didn't take a Jeep 101 class did you?
Also bet you didn't go with any other folks and offroaded alone.
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
Libbies and Kias have a lot in common, both will go off-road and fit
through some tight places FSJs can't. But neither is a hard-core
offroad vehicle. Hell, some folks point out anything short of a rock-rail
is not a "hard-core" offroad vehicle.
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!
Suppose you didn't read here till you had the libby did you?
Let me put it this way, I offroad a basically stock ZJ. So far the trail
has eaten a muffler, the back bumper, and a few nibbles off the rims.
It is perhaps best you don't offroad. As from what I've read you appear
to be both a danger to yourself and others on the trail.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
<ahem>Rubicon</ahem> is trailworthy from the git-go. Odds are for
what you shoveled into that libby you could have had a real offroad
vehicle with tons of capablity.
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials.
The same commercials that show a ZJ emerging from the bottom of a pond
or the one that shows a pickup truck towing a CAT 450 Heavy Loader?
> I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That says it all --------------/\
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover.
Apart from the light bar, the rest are NOT recommended accessories for
off-roading. Especially silly tubular side steps as they reduce ground
clearance by a good 4-5 inches. What the flop a hood cover has to do
with offroading eludes me. Just more stuff to trap dirt against paint.
> I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
Then why didn't you buy a Rubicon?
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place.
They do that. Bet you didn't take a Jeep 101 class did you?
Also bet you didn't go with any other folks and offroaded alone.
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
Libbies and Kias have a lot in common, both will go off-road and fit
through some tight places FSJs can't. But neither is a hard-core
offroad vehicle. Hell, some folks point out anything short of a rock-rail
is not a "hard-core" offroad vehicle.
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!
Suppose you didn't read here till you had the libby did you?
Let me put it this way, I offroad a basically stock ZJ. So far the trail
has eaten a muffler, the back bumper, and a few nibbles off the rims.
It is perhaps best you don't offroad. As from what I've read you appear
to be both a danger to yourself and others on the trail.
--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
08-13-2003, 08:32 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Guys Guys,
This guy was Joking.......or at least he should have been....don't you
think?
There's one born everyday. Most any intelligent person would never buy into
something like that without research.....
Rich,
86 CJ 7 4.2 mopar FI New Paint (finally) and a bunch of other works in
progress.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Me three.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> TJim wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, me too. I started to type a reply an thought, "What the heck,
this is
> > too easy!" No one would be that gullible and then post a story like
that in
> > the one place he should have checked before he shelled out all that
money
> > for a station wagon...
> > ...trolls don't smell too good, neither!!! :wrinkles up nose:
> > Jeeps are fine. Trolls suck.
This guy was Joking.......or at least he should have been....don't you
think?
There's one born everyday. Most any intelligent person would never buy into
something like that without research.....
Rich,
86 CJ 7 4.2 mopar FI New Paint (finally) and a bunch of other works in
progress.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Me three.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> TJim wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, me too. I started to type a reply an thought, "What the heck,
this is
> > too easy!" No one would be that gullible and then post a story like
that in
> > the one place he should have checked before he shelled out all that
money
> > for a station wagon...
> > ...trolls don't smell too good, neither!!! :wrinkles up nose:
> > Jeeps are fine. Trolls suck.
08-13-2003, 08:38 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
What the heck trail did you start out on anyway??
On 13 Aug 2003 11:28:17 -0700, kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
>>I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
>>offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
>>jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
>>as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
>>absolutely worthless off-road.
>>
>>About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
>>reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
>>of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
>>vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
>>all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
>>light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
>>nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
>>dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
>>go jeeping in tough terrain.
>>
>>Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
>>off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
>>Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
>>and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
>>understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
>>but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
>>being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
>>particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
>>Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
>>less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
>>addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
>>damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
>>obvious.)
>>
>>Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
>>wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
>>advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
>>protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
>>bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
>>the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
>>intended for serious off road use."
>>
>>So there you have it, direct from the official designated
>>representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
>>Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
>>off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
>>on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>>
>>I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
>>piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
>>should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
>>manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
>>again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>>
>>I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
>>other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
>>pieces of junk!
On 13 Aug 2003 11:28:17 -0700, kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
>>I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
>>offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
>>jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
>>as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
>>absolutely worthless off-road.
>>
>>About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
>>reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
>>of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
>>vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
>>all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
>>light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
>>nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
>>dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
>>go jeeping in tough terrain.
>>
>>Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
>>off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
>>Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
>>and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
>>understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
>>but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
>>being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
>>particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
>>Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
>>less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
>>addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
>>damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
>>obvious.)
>>
>>Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
>>wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
>>advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
>>protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
>>bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
>>the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
>>intended for serious off road use."
>>
>>So there you have it, direct from the official designated
>>representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
>>Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
>>off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
>>on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>>
>>I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
>>piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
>>should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
>>manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
>>again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>>
>>I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
>>other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
>>pieces of junk!
08-13-2003, 09:00 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
The ***** lost WWII. The Kaiser lost WWI.
The Germans have made some *excellent* off road vehicles. Most of them huge
and over-engineered. The Libby just isn't one of them.
"RichH" <RhmpL33@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> The Liberty was designed to "off-road" in shopping malls and soccer
> field parking lots.
> It's the ****'s way of getting even for losing WWI .... deceptive
> marketing with an inferior product.
>
> I ask you this serious question: Have your EVER seen a German car NOT
> stuck when off road or in snow????? You NEVER will! On the east coast
> we use German cars (includes Liberty) as slalom gates when it snows.
>
> Too bad you didnt join this group before you bought the POS Liberty. We
> could have warned you of its abomiable off-road performance.
>
The Germans have made some *excellent* off road vehicles. Most of them huge
and over-engineered. The Libby just isn't one of them.
"RichH" <RhmpL33@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:3F3AA81E.1040509@NOSPAM.net...
> The Liberty was designed to "off-road" in shopping malls and soccer
> field parking lots.
> It's the ****'s way of getting even for losing WWI .... deceptive
> marketing with an inferior product.
>
> I ask you this serious question: Have your EVER seen a German car NOT
> stuck when off road or in snow????? You NEVER will! On the east coast
> we use German cars (includes Liberty) as slalom gates when it snows.
>
> Too bad you didnt join this group before you bought the POS Liberty. We
> could have warned you of its abomiable off-road performance.
>
08-13-2003, 09:55 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
There' a sucker born everyday.
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DougW wrote:
>
> Not rilly.
>
> Even the gene pool has a shallow end.
> Idiots buy into the crap spammers peddle. :/
>
> Just look at all the people that buy those TB spacer swirrly things
> or kazoo tailpipes with LEDs.
>
> --
> DougW
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
DougW wrote:
>
> Not rilly.
>
> Even the gene pool has a shallow end.
> Idiots buy into the crap spammers peddle. :/
>
> Just look at all the people that buy those TB spacer swirrly things
> or kazoo tailpipes with LEDs.
>
> --
> DougW
08-13-2003, 10:04 PM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message
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> On 13 Aug 2003 11:28:17 -0700, kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
<snip>
> Something else to consider -- it's a good %50 the vehicle, a %50
> the skill and experince of the driver offroad. You could have the
> best built rig out there -- if you don't know how to use it .. well
> you get the idea..
<snip>
Actually, I think it's more like 80% driver, 20% vehicle. If the driver
knows what he/she is doing and knows his/her vehicle, the driver won't ask
the vehicle to do things that are absolutely ridiculous and will probably
get through the trails that are chosen with the vehicle's capabilities in
mind.
TJim
08-13-2003, 10:06 PM
#38
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
Yep. More money than brains. Lots more.
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:TeA_a.253504$R92.245230@news2.central.***.net ...
> Kenneth Garman wrote:
> > I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> > offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> > jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> > as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> > absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> <ahem>Rubicon</ahem> is trailworthy from the git-go. Odds are for
> what you shoveled into that libby you could have had a real offroad
> vehicle with tons of capablity.
>
> > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> > reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> > of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials.
>
> The same commercials that show a ZJ emerging from the bottom of a pond
> or the one that shows a pickup truck towing a CAT 450 Heavy Loader?
>
> > I wanted a
> > vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That says it all --------------/\
>
> > all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> > light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover.
>
> Apart from the light bar, the rest are NOT recommended accessories for
> off-roading. Especially silly tubular side steps as they reduce ground
> clearance by a good 4-5 inches. What the flop a hood cover has to do
> with offroading eludes me. Just more stuff to trap dirt against paint.
>
> > I outfitted myself with
> > nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> > dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> > go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Then why didn't you buy a Rubicon?
>
> > Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> > off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> > Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> > and grinding all over the place.
>
> They do that. Bet you didn't take a Jeep 101 class did you?
> Also bet you didn't go with any other folks and offroaded alone.
>
>
> > So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> > representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> > Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> > off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> > on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> Libbies and Kias have a lot in common, both will go off-road and fit
> through some tight places FSJs can't. But neither is a hard-core
> offroad vehicle. Hell, some folks point out anything short of a rock-rail
> is not a "hard-core" offroad vehicle.
>
> > I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> > other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> > pieces of junk!
>
> Suppose you didn't read here till you had the libby did you?
>
> Let me put it this way, I offroad a basically stock ZJ. So far the trail
> has eaten a muffler, the back bumper, and a few nibbles off the rims.
>
> It is perhaps best you don't offroad. As from what I've read you appear
> to be both a danger to yourself and others on the trail.
>
> --
> -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
>
>
>
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:TeA_a.253504$R92.245230@news2.central.***.net ...
> Kenneth Garman wrote:
> > I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> > offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> > jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> > as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> > absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> <ahem>Rubicon</ahem> is trailworthy from the git-go. Odds are for
> what you shoveled into that libby you could have had a real offroad
> vehicle with tons of capablity.
>
> > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> > reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> > of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials.
>
> The same commercials that show a ZJ emerging from the bottom of a pond
> or the one that shows a pickup truck towing a CAT 450 Heavy Loader?
>
> > I wanted a
> > vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That says it all --------------/\
>
> > all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> > light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover.
>
> Apart from the light bar, the rest are NOT recommended accessories for
> off-roading. Especially silly tubular side steps as they reduce ground
> clearance by a good 4-5 inches. What the flop a hood cover has to do
> with offroading eludes me. Just more stuff to trap dirt against paint.
>
> > I outfitted myself with
> > nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> > dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> > go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Then why didn't you buy a Rubicon?
>
> > Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> > off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> > Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> > and grinding all over the place.
>
> They do that. Bet you didn't take a Jeep 101 class did you?
> Also bet you didn't go with any other folks and offroaded alone.
>
>
> > So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> > representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> > Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> > off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> > on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> Libbies and Kias have a lot in common, both will go off-road and fit
> through some tight places FSJs can't. But neither is a hard-core
> offroad vehicle. Hell, some folks point out anything short of a rock-rail
> is not a "hard-core" offroad vehicle.
>
> > I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> > other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> > pieces of junk!
>
> Suppose you didn't read here till you had the libby did you?
>
> Let me put it this way, I offroad a basically stock ZJ. So far the trail
> has eaten a muffler, the back bumper, and a few nibbles off the rims.
>
> It is perhaps best you don't offroad. As from what I've read you appear
> to be both a danger to yourself and others on the trail.
>
> --
> -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
>
>
>
08-14-2003, 12:34 AM
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I can tell you right now that the Volkswagen air-cooled Beetle sedan is one
of the best off road vehicles ever intentionally or unintentionally
designed, both in stock form and modified. For WWII they even had
amphibious and four wheel drive versions, also one that ran on gas generated
by burning wood or coal. While not so good for rock crawling, they are
great for sand and gravel. We even get a few dune buggies and (loosely)
VW-based sand rails that venture up above Silverton each summer.
Earle
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The ***** lost WWII. The Kaiser lost WWI.
> The Germans have made some *excellent* off road vehicles. Most of them
huge
> and over-engineered. The Libby just isn't one of them.
>
> "RichH" <RhmpL33@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:3F3AA81E.1040509@NOSPAM.net...
> > The Liberty was designed to "off-road" in shopping malls and soccer
> > field parking lots.
> > It's the ****'s way of getting even for losing WWI .... deceptive
> > marketing with an inferior product.
> >
> > I ask you this serious question: Have your EVER seen a German car NOT
> > stuck when off road or in snow????? You NEVER will! On the east coast
> > we use German cars (includes Liberty) as slalom gates when it snows.
> >
> > Too bad you didnt join this group before you bought the POS Liberty. We
> > could have warned you of its abomiable off-road performance.
> >
>
>
of the best off road vehicles ever intentionally or unintentionally
designed, both in stock form and modified. For WWII they even had
amphibious and four wheel drive versions, also one that ran on gas generated
by burning wood or coal. While not so good for rock crawling, they are
great for sand and gravel. We even get a few dune buggies and (loosely)
VW-based sand rails that venture up above Silverton each summer.
Earle
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:B4Odnc7Bi5G0QqeiXTWJiQ@comcast.com...
> The ***** lost WWII. The Kaiser lost WWI.
> The Germans have made some *excellent* off road vehicles. Most of them
huge
> and over-engineered. The Libby just isn't one of them.
>
> "RichH" <RhmpL33@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:3F3AA81E.1040509@NOSPAM.net...
> > The Liberty was designed to "off-road" in shopping malls and soccer
> > field parking lots.
> > It's the ****'s way of getting even for losing WWI .... deceptive
> > marketing with an inferior product.
> >
> > I ask you this serious question: Have your EVER seen a German car NOT
> > stuck when off road or in snow????? You NEVER will! On the east coast
> > we use German cars (includes Liberty) as slalom gates when it snows.
> >
> > Too bad you didnt join this group before you bought the POS Liberty. We
> > could have warned you of its abomiable off-road performance.
> >
>
>
08-14-2003, 12:56 AM
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Re: Why Jeeps suck.
"Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message news:<F%v_a.8702$VG.271644@news20.bellglobal.com>. ..
> > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.
>
> This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a
> J**P...
>
Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
line?
> > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.
>
> This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a
> J**P...
>
Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you
please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that
the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product
line?