Mike Romain

So do you get 'real' synthetic oil or the 'fake' stuff for you money?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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JeepGuyMike wrote:
>
> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
> paying that much for an oil change.

Mike Romain

So do you get 'real' synthetic oil or the 'fake' stuff for you money?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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JeepGuyMike wrote:
>
> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
> paying that much for an oil change.

Mike Romain

So do you get 'real' synthetic oil or the 'fake' stuff for you money?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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JeepGuyMike wrote:
>
> OK, I've read the posts and I'm ready to tell you about my two VW's. I
> have the $62.37 oil change done at the dealership using 100% synthetic
> oil, and have the oil changed every 10,000 miles. Yes, you read
> correctly, every TEN THOUSAND miles. I know I'm ahead of the game
> paying that much for an oil change.

Mike Romain

Unfortunately Bill is actually more right than wrong.

You are out of date on oil definitions.

The oil companies went to court to change the definition of 'synthetic'
oil.

Now they can slap a fancy label on anything more refined than crude or
bunker C oil and call it 'synthetic' and charge 3 or 4 times the price
of the same oil without the fancy label.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Typical personal attack, from a person not capable of answering
> > the factual question, which is: from what do you believe synthetic oil
> > is refined? Answer: it's one hundred percent petroleum, like all other
> > mineral oils.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Simon Juncal wrote:
> >
> >>Um... did you read his whole sentence there or did you take a nap before
> >>you finished it?
> >>
> >>Just read past the first line which you didn't understand.
> >>
> >>Obviously you're totally unequipped to argue with his post so you ask
> >>him an IRELIVANT question, that he actually already answered.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Simon

Mike Romain

Unfortunately Bill is actually more right than wrong.

You are out of date on oil definitions.

The oil companies went to court to change the definition of 'synthetic'
oil.

Now they can slap a fancy label on anything more refined than crude or
bunker C oil and call it 'synthetic' and charge 3 or 4 times the price
of the same oil without the fancy label.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Typical personal attack, from a person not capable of answering
> > the factual question, which is: from what do you believe synthetic oil
> > is refined? Answer: it's one hundred percent petroleum, like all other
> > mineral oils.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Simon Juncal wrote:
> >
> >>Um... did you read his whole sentence there or did you take a nap before
> >>you finished it?
> >>
> >>Just read past the first line which you didn't understand.
> >>
> >>Obviously you're totally unequipped to argue with his post so you ask
> >>him an IRELIVANT question, that he actually already answered.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Simon

Mike Romain

Unfortunately Bill is actually more right than wrong.

You are out of date on oil definitions.

The oil companies went to court to change the definition of 'synthetic'
oil.

Now they can slap a fancy label on anything more refined than crude or
bunker C oil and call it 'synthetic' and charge 3 or 4 times the price
of the same oil without the fancy label.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
> > Typical personal attack, from a person not capable of answering
> > the factual question, which is: from what do you believe synthetic oil
> > is refined? Answer: it's one hundred percent petroleum, like all other
> > mineral oils.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Simon Juncal wrote:
> >
> >>Um... did you read his whole sentence there or did you take a nap before
> >>you finished it?
> >>
> >>Just read past the first line which you didn't understand.
> >>
> >>Obviously you're totally unequipped to argue with his post so you ask
> >>him an IRELIVANT question, that he actually already answered.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Simon

Lon

billy ray proclaimed:

> Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
> natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
>
> oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
> become an important part of the oils you buy
>
> by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
> most applications they won't require any
>
> VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
> molecule, so the refining is already done for
>
> you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.

The USA available supply of natural gas is nowhere near as large as our
supply of dino goo unfortunately. Nor is the fairly low grade coal and
oil shale found pretty much all over the west USofA. One really
efficient tactic of getting oil and gas from poor grade shale suffers
from a small environmental and political issue--folks don't like nukes
in their backyard.

Lon

billy ray proclaimed:

> Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
> natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
>
> oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
> become an important part of the oils you buy
>
> by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
> most applications they won't require any
>
> VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
> molecule, so the refining is already done for
>
> you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.

The USA available supply of natural gas is nowhere near as large as our
supply of dino goo unfortunately. Nor is the fairly low grade coal and
oil shale found pretty much all over the west USofA. One really
efficient tactic of getting oil and gas from poor grade shale suffers
from a small environmental and political issue--folks don't like nukes
in their backyard.

Lon

billy ray proclaimed:

> Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
> natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
>
> oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
> become an important part of the oils you buy
>
> by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
> most applications they won't require any
>
> VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
> molecule, so the refining is already done for
>
> you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.

The USA available supply of natural gas is nowhere near as large as our
supply of dino goo unfortunately. Nor is the fairly low grade coal and
oil shale found pretty much all over the west USofA. One really
efficient tactic of getting oil and gas from poor grade shale suffers
from a small environmental and political issue--folks don't like nukes
in their backyard.

Lon

We agree your knowledge of basic chemistry is sadly lacking, and when
cornered, your debating skills involve mostly the waving of hands and
going further off the wall. You should stick to areas where you have
some knowledge.

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> We agree to disagree!
> You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
> is an oil refinery.
> We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
> will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
> to camp.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
>>together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
>>shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
>>ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.