Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
06-25-2006, 12:02 AM
#121
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Yup, like ethanol still needs fifteen percent gasoline to be run in
new cars especially made for it. Along with dollar for dollar tax
subsidies.
Sure we make cooking oils that may be used for small motors and
sewing machines, out a lot plant products, buy my point is not since the
old castorbean has any oil been made SAE capable. Like any oil that
mixes with water would be disastrous to the corrosion properties in an
modern engine
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to
> crack crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a
> few metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
new cars especially made for it. Along with dollar for dollar tax
subsidies.
Sure we make cooking oils that may be used for small motors and
sewing machines, out a lot plant products, buy my point is not since the
old castorbean has any oil been made SAE capable. Like any oil that
mixes with water would be disastrous to the corrosion properties in an
modern engine
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to
> crack crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a
> few metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#122
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
We agree to disagree!
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#123
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
We agree to disagree!
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#124
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
We agree to disagree!
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
You're not going to put peanut oil in a modern engine, and neither
is an oil refinery.
We may lubricate an engine with just plain water, but none of us
will do that unless we tear a hole in the pan all we need is to get back
to camp.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Thus the fundamental wrogness. The oil is not refined, it is pasted
> together from raw materials that could have as easily come from peanut
> shells or fish--at greater cost, which is why most of the raw
> ingredients are cracked from crude rather than dead horses.
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#125
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#126
Guest
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
06-25-2006, 12:10 AM
#127
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
pure base oil with excellent properties. By
starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces,
you can pretty much guarantee that every
molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the
properties are exactly what you designed in,
not compromised by impurities from dead cockroach shells or whatever.
Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to
the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about
1990. The original synthetics were
designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their
high- performance turbo-charged
radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical
called an olefin, and make new molecules by
attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary
advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base
oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so
it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly
as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Until about 2000, these PAO base oils had an enormous advantage over mineral
base oils in low temperature
performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the
oil from forming acids. However, modern
group-III oils can nearly match the performance of PAOs at about half the
price. Because of this, PAO based oils are
rapidly disappearing. There are new processes being investigated which may
significantly cut the cost of producing
PAOs, and make them an important component of oil again.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is
called Group V. Esters start life as fatty
acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters,
diesters, and polyesters. Your
vegetarian girlfriend should love that. Group V base stocks are the most
expensive of all to produce. However, the
esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an
ester base oil all by itself will do a very
decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about
making a superior oil will usually mix
some Group V oils into their base stock.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:449DE1B3.70FBB78@***.net...
> From WHAT do they come from? I must be from animal, plant or
> mineral!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Coasty wrote:
>>
>> You could not be more wrong Bill it depends on the manufacturer some are
>> ester or polymer based they do not come from crude and are 100%
>> synthetic.
>> This has happened in the past couple of years I have a friend who is a
>> chemical engineer that works on the development of new oils. They are
>> now
>> using them in aircraft, NASA, military and in the Antarctic where the
>> oils
>> will flow at minus 60 degrees F. They are on the market for consumers
>> Redline and AMSOIL are in the front running with no crude base at all.
>> There 3 other Manufacturers that are overseas that have developed a 100%
>> synthetic oil with no petroleum or hydrocarbons in them. And to answer
>> your
>> question it AIN'T PETROLEUM.
>>
>> Coasty
06-25-2006, 12:13 AM
#128
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty
06-25-2006, 12:13 AM
#129
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty
06-25-2006, 12:13 AM
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Re: Uh oh, Here We Go Again!
Finally, there are new chemicals emerging which are made from liquefied
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty
natural gas called GTL (gas to liquid) base
oils. These will be called Group III+, and many people think they will
become an important part of the oils you buy
by 2010. These GTL base oils have natural VIs of 140 or more, meaning for
most applications they won't require any
VII package at all. Natural gas is primarily made up of only one type of
molecule, so the refining is already done for
you. Most oil wells throw off a lot of natural gas.
"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yrqdnc49UvKobwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Actually, it appears a new fundamental particle may have been discovered
> recently. Which has butkus to do with the fairly simple chemistry of
> making the innards of oils from whatever source happens to be available
> and cost effective. Could be made from natural gas, greasebush, coal,
> peanuts, or soylent green--just happens to be most cost effective to crack
> crude to the raw constituents then paste em back together with a few
> metallic compounds that didn't come from oil.
>
>
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
>
>> "No plant animal or mineral in them" if that were true it would be
>> easy to prove, wouldn't it? There nothing new under the Sun and includes
>> splitting the atom.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Coasty wrote:
>>
>>>No plant animal or mineral in them they have been developed from a
>>>molecular
>>>level. Just because a molecule originates from plant, animal or mineral
>>>does not mean it cannot be synthesized. Once synthesized then it no
>>>longer
>>>comes from plant, animal or mineral it becomes fully synthetic and the
>>>plant, animal or mineral is no longer needed to create more of the same.
>>>
>>>Coasty