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Re: Switching Head bolts
In <gwcoc.448028$oR5.324102@pd7tw3no> Steve G wrote:
> If I was him and someone came back and told > me they wanted those bolts switched and the head gasket replaced in > the course of it I'd say "yep, bring it on down" When I was finished > I would collect $ for the gaskets and my time before I gave him his > engine back. If you do this without informing the customer that he will be footing the bill prior to doing the work, then you are a thief and a part of the reason why the motoring public in general distrusts the maintenance industry. Perhaps you should consider a career selling shock absorbers at Sears. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <gwcoc.448028$oR5.324102@pd7tw3no> Steve G wrote:
> If I was him and someone came back and told > me they wanted those bolts switched and the head gasket replaced in > the course of it I'd say "yep, bring it on down" When I was finished > I would collect $ for the gaskets and my time before I gave him his > engine back. If you do this without informing the customer that he will be footing the bill prior to doing the work, then you are a thief and a part of the reason why the motoring public in general distrusts the maintenance industry. Perhaps you should consider a career selling shock absorbers at Sears. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <gwcoc.448028$oR5.324102@pd7tw3no> Steve G wrote:
> If I was him and someone came back and told > me they wanted those bolts switched and the head gasket replaced in > the course of it I'd say "yep, bring it on down" When I was finished > I would collect $ for the gaskets and my time before I gave him his > engine back. If you do this without informing the customer that he will be footing the bill prior to doing the work, then you are a thief and a part of the reason why the motoring public in general distrusts the maintenance industry. Perhaps you should consider a career selling shock absorbers at Sears. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <40A14E05.2BE9364F@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Del, > I don't think the rebuilder got the engine whole, remember Bill > had an injected 4.0 head on a forty over 258" block, he got back a ten, > ten. Oh. Well, in that case, never mind. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <40A14E05.2BE9364F@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Del, > I don't think the rebuilder got the engine whole, remember Bill > had an injected 4.0 head on a forty over 258" block, he got back a ten, > ten. Oh. Well, in that case, never mind. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <40A14E05.2BE9364F@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Del, > I don't think the rebuilder got the engine whole, remember Bill > had an injected 4.0 head on a forty over 258" block, he got back a ten, > ten. Oh. Well, in that case, never mind. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <40A14E05.2BE9364F@cox.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Del, > I don't think the rebuilder got the engine whole, remember Bill > had an injected 4.0 head on a forty over 258" block, he got back a ten, > ten. Oh. Well, in that case, never mind. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Well, they (the R&R guys) took the alternator off so there you go. At this
point I'm just happy to get the stupid thing home so I can review and 'correct' anything they might have done. So not having my own place (garage) really hurts. Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:40A183D4.1DFC2E49@sympatico.ca... > Man, I feel for you. > > People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really > hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and > have seen good and bad... > > I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions > or if I can, point out an easy fix. > > The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different > sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV > with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the > cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. > > If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the > fools grind it.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > > when it came in. > > > > So far I've had to replace: > > > > Alternator bracket > > Starter > > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > > but what can I say. > > > > etc, etc, etc..... > > > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > > perfectly to the old one. > > > > blah blah blah > > ... > > > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > > > Bill > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > > important. > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > > cam, > > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Well, they (the R&R guys) took the alternator off so there you go. At this
point I'm just happy to get the stupid thing home so I can review and 'correct' anything they might have done. So not having my own place (garage) really hurts. Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:40A183D4.1DFC2E49@sympatico.ca... > Man, I feel for you. > > People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really > hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and > have seen good and bad... > > I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions > or if I can, point out an easy fix. > > The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different > sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV > with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the > cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. > > If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the > fools grind it.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > > when it came in. > > > > So far I've had to replace: > > > > Alternator bracket > > Starter > > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > > but what can I say. > > > > etc, etc, etc..... > > > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > > perfectly to the old one. > > > > blah blah blah > > ... > > > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > > > Bill > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > > important. > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > > cam, > > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Well, they (the R&R guys) took the alternator off so there you go. At this
point I'm just happy to get the stupid thing home so I can review and 'correct' anything they might have done. So not having my own place (garage) really hurts. Bill "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:40A183D4.1DFC2E49@sympatico.ca... > Man, I feel for you. > > People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really > hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and > have seen good and bad... > > I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions > or if I can, point out an easy fix. > > The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different > sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV > with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the > cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. > > If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the > fools grind it.... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > > when it came in. > > > > So far I've had to replace: > > > > Alternator bracket > > Starter > > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > > but what can I say. > > > > etc, etc, etc..... > > > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > > perfectly to the old one. > > > > blah blah blah > > ... > > > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > > > Bill > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > > important. > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > > cam, > > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > > > Bill |
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