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Re: Switching Head bolts
The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr.
Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more important. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ William Oliveri wrote: > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new cam, > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head
off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was when it came in. So far I've had to replace: Alternator bracket Starter O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that but what can I say. etc, etc, etc..... Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up perfectly to the old one. blah blah blah .... It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > important. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new cam, > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head
off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was when it came in. So far I've had to replace: Alternator bracket Starter O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that but what can I say. etc, etc, etc..... Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up perfectly to the old one. blah blah blah .... It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > important. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new cam, > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head
off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was when it came in. So far I've had to replace: Alternator bracket Starter O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that but what can I say. etc, etc, etc..... Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up perfectly to the old one. blah blah blah .... It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > important. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new cam, > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head
off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was when it came in. So far I've had to replace: Alternator bracket Starter O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that but what can I say. etc, etc, etc..... Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up perfectly to the old one. blah blah blah .... It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. Bill "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > important. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new cam, > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Man, I feel for you.
People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and have seen good and bad... I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions or if I can, point out an easy fix. The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the fools grind it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > when it came in. > > So far I've had to replace: > > Alternator bracket > Starter > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > but what can I say. > > etc, etc, etc..... > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > perfectly to the old one. > > blah blah blah > ... > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > Bill > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > important. > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > cam, > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Man, I feel for you.
People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and have seen good and bad... I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions or if I can, point out an easy fix. The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the fools grind it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > when it came in. > > So far I've had to replace: > > Alternator bracket > Starter > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > but what can I say. > > etc, etc, etc..... > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > perfectly to the old one. > > blah blah blah > ... > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > Bill > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > important. > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > cam, > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Man, I feel for you.
People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and have seen good and bad... I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions or if I can, point out an easy fix. The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the fools grind it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > when it came in. > > So far I've had to replace: > > Alternator bracket > Starter > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > but what can I say. > > etc, etc, etc..... > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > perfectly to the old one. > > blah blah blah > ... > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > Bill > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > important. > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > cam, > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
Man, I feel for you.
People like you are one of the main reasons I post so much. I really hate seeing folks being taken. I started working in garages in 67 and have seen good and bad... I will play the devils advocate on shop fixes and 'mechanics' opinions or if I can, point out an easy fix. The alternator bracket is a strange one Bill. It needs two different sized tube shims under it and if the timing cover was put on with RTV with no bracket, it, the cover, will leak. The bracket is part of the cover bolts and has to go on when the RTV is wet still. If they don't have the shims, it won't line up no matter how much the fools grind it.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's William Oliveri wrote: > > Yeah, but there's one downside to giving the R&R guy the jeep with the head > off. Now, anything that's broken he says or can say that's the way it was > when it came in. > > So far I've had to replace: > > Alternator bracket > Starter > O2 Sensor - I lost that myself :-( > CCV and MAP Sensor tubing (Due to different head) > > The fuel line to the fuel rail is now pinched and I know I didn't do that > but what can I say. > > etc, etc, etc..... > > Then they tell me they need to grind the new alternator bracket because it > doesn't fit that alternator correctly when the new bracket matches up > perfectly to the old one. > > blah blah blah > ... > > It's like Mike said. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all. > > Bill > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:40A15A64.B32254F8@cox.net... > > The best part of this you're not trying to get it done under Mr. > > Landlord's nose. Now you can go back to school or whatever's more > > important. > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > William Oliveri wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I gave the R&R guy the jeep with the 4.2L block (head was removed). > > > The R&R guy took out the engine and the machine shop picked it up. > > > Machine shop took the block, honed it out to 60 over, replaced with new > cam, > > > 10/10 crank, bearings, oil pump, timing gears, other internal parts I'm > > > probably forgetting and attached my freshly machined 4.0L head to it. > > > Buttoned it up and sent it back to the R&R place. > > > > > > Now it's being put together at the R&R place. > > > > > > Bill |
Re: Switching Head bolts
In <gwcoc.448028$oR5.324102@pd7tw3no> Steve G wrote:
> If I was him and someone came back and told > me they wanted those bolts switched and the head gasket replaced in > the course of it I'd say "yep, bring it on down" When I was finished > I would collect $ for the gaskets and my time before I gave him his > engine back. If you do this without informing the customer that he will be footing the bill prior to doing the work, then you are a thief and a part of the reason why the motoring public in general distrusts the maintenance industry. Perhaps you should consider a career selling shock absorbers at Sears. ---------------------------------------------------- Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email. Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website: http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/ |
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