Bret Ludwig

>>On December 7, 1941 the United States of America became directly
involved in the greatest of human conflicts, World War II. Even before
bombs fell on Pearl Harbor that Sunday morning, it was clear to many
Americans that they would soon be at war with Japan. What was
unexpected was the seemingly apocalyptic nature of the raid. Emblazoned
on the minds of millions of Americans, the single most powerful image
associated with the Pearl Harbor attack, was the smoking metal and
twisted mast of USS Arizona.

In 1983, the Submerged Resources Center of the National Park Service
was tasked with mapping and photo-documenting the remains of USS
Arizona in its final resting place in Pearl Harbor. The National Park
Service was responsible for managing a major national shrine that was
largely hidden from view and for which no management precedent existed.
During and after the war, Navy salvage teams had cut away most of the
ship's superstructure. Eventually a memorial was built over the
sunken ship's hull, which is a grave for nearly 1,000 U.S.
servicemen.

To effectively manage the memorial, the National Park Service needed to
answer a variety of questions, beginning with "what's there,
beneath the waters of Pearl Harbor?" To answer that, several field
seasons in the 1980s were devoted to producing a comprehensive line
drawing of the 608-foot battleship - the largest object ever mapped
underwater at the time.

After developing a basic understanding of what was there, the next set
of questions focused on answering the question, what's happening to
what's there? What sort of hull integrity remains? Is the ship in
imminent danger of collapse? Where is the oil coming from that leaks so
conspicuously from the ship? Research designed to answer those
questions began in the late 1980s, and have continued in recent years.
For the past two decades the Submerged Resources Center has been
spearheading the National Park Service's research on one of Americas
most hallowed war memorials.<<

I have news for the Park Service, it's salt water and steel does not
survive salt water. It's a grave. Nature attacks bodies, returns them
to the biosphere by deacay and eating by worms. (That's how it's
supposed to work. People buy steel coffins and concrete vaults and it's
contrary to nature.) Either refloat the hull and BURY the bodies or let
nature do its job and attack the hull, what biomass is left (very
little) and all and reduce it to the seafloor. In other words, it's a
----in' boondoggle.

The attack at Pearl Harbor was a tragedy, but it's history. Number one
we immolated the Japanese tenfold, a hundredfold, and more, and the
debt is paid. Number two, FDR the son of a low -----,(but not as bad as
'Bar',La Cuntessa Suprema) who some patriotic American should have <>
in his wheelchair, put Japan in the position where it had little other
choice. Imperial Japan was a brutal society but they were no threat to
us. Number three, we don't learn from history very well, do we? No, we
don't.

So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing again. It would
be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless loss, like the men
on USS Arizona.

I say we change our way of thinking.

SoK66

"Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:

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>Number two, FDR the son of a low -----,(but not as bad as 'Bar',La Cuntessa
>Suprema) who some patriotic American should have <> in his wheelchair, put
>Japan in the position where it had little other choice. Imperial Japan was
>a brutal society but they were no threat to us. >

Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even the
Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they had
coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)

>Number three, we don't learn from history very well, do we? No, we don't.<

You are quite correct, we let incompetence, "political correctness" and a
false sense of security permit 19 Islamic vermin kill another 3000 Americans
in cold blood.

Look, do us all a favor, take the "anti-Amerikan" -------- off to
"alt.traitors.com" or someplace else where your moonbat friends hang out.

SoK66

"Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:

( Initial drivel snipped )

>Number two, FDR the son of a low -----,(but not as bad as 'Bar',La Cuntessa
>Suprema) who some patriotic American should have <> in his wheelchair, put
>Japan in the position where it had little other choice. Imperial Japan was
>a brutal society but they were no threat to us. >

Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even the
Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they had
coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)

>Number three, we don't learn from history very well, do we? No, we don't.<

You are quite correct, we let incompetence, "political correctness" and a
false sense of security permit 19 Islamic vermin kill another 3000 Americans
in cold blood.

Look, do us all a favor, take the "anti-Amerikan" -------- off to
"alt.traitors.com" or someplace else where your moonbat friends hang out.

SoK66

"Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:

( Initial drivel snipped )

>Number two, FDR the son of a low -----,(but not as bad as 'Bar',La Cuntessa
>Suprema) who some patriotic American should have <> in his wheelchair, put
>Japan in the position where it had little other choice. Imperial Japan was
>a brutal society but they were no threat to us. >

Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even the
Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they had
coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)

>Number three, we don't learn from history very well, do we? No, we don't.<

You are quite correct, we let incompetence, "political correctness" and a
false sense of security permit 19 Islamic vermin kill another 3000 Americans
in cold blood.

Look, do us all a favor, take the "anti-Amerikan" -------- off to
"alt.traitors.com" or someplace else where your moonbat friends hang out.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I could cry, my father-in-law was there:
http://www.----------.com/JohnConley/johnconley.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

SoK66 wrote:
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> "Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:
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> ( Initial drivel snipped )

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I could cry, my father-in-law was there:
http://www.----------.com/JohnConley/johnconley.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

SoK66 wrote:
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> "Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:
>
> ( Initial drivel snipped )

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I could cry, my father-in-law was there:
http://www.----------.com/JohnConley/johnconley.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

SoK66 wrote:
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> "Bret Ludwig" needs to take it somewhere else:
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> ( Initial drivel snipped )