Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
> again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
> loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
> YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
No, that isn't what I said.
Everyone knows FDR wanted us in the war at any cost. We rightly or
wrongly made ourselves a thorn in Japan's *** (yes, they were pretty
brutal:like we were munificent to the Indians?) and had good reason to
know an attack was more than possible. Pearl Harbor should have been at
red alert. Many people think FDR wanted a bloodbath so as to guarantee
American entry in the war.
As it happened, as Yamamoto predicted, we kicked their *** in grand
fashion, executed many of their leaders (some of who were guilty of
atrocities, some very certainly were not), and Westernized their
nation.
War is a terrible thing. We dropped the bomb on them, which was the
right thing to do in context, but the bottom line is Pearl Harbor was
completely unnecessary. Dropping Fat Man and Little Boy didn't bring
the men of USS Arizona back, did it?
We won the war, I'm glad we did, and now, that war is over. You
jingo-jango *********** keep fighting it over and over, but it's done.
Paul Tibbets drives a Toyota. Get over it.
#12
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
> again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
> loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
> YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
No, that isn't what I said.
Everyone knows FDR wanted us in the war at any cost. We rightly or
wrongly made ourselves a thorn in Japan's *** (yes, they were pretty
brutal:like we were munificent to the Indians?) and had good reason to
know an attack was more than possible. Pearl Harbor should have been at
red alert. Many people think FDR wanted a bloodbath so as to guarantee
American entry in the war.
As it happened, as Yamamoto predicted, we kicked their *** in grand
fashion, executed many of their leaders (some of who were guilty of
atrocities, some very certainly were not), and Westernized their
nation.
War is a terrible thing. We dropped the bomb on them, which was the
right thing to do in context, but the bottom line is Pearl Harbor was
completely unnecessary. Dropping Fat Man and Little Boy didn't bring
the men of USS Arizona back, did it?
We won the war, I'm glad we did, and now, that war is over. You
jingo-jango *********** keep fighting it over and over, but it's done.
Paul Tibbets drives a Toyota. Get over it.
#13
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
> again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
> loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
> YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
No, that isn't what I said.
Everyone knows FDR wanted us in the war at any cost. We rightly or
wrongly made ourselves a thorn in Japan's *** (yes, they were pretty
brutal:like we were munificent to the Indians?) and had good reason to
know an attack was more than possible. Pearl Harbor should have been at
red alert. Many people think FDR wanted a bloodbath so as to guarantee
American entry in the war.
As it happened, as Yamamoto predicted, we kicked their *** in grand
fashion, executed many of their leaders (some of who were guilty of
atrocities, some very certainly were not), and Westernized their
nation.
War is a terrible thing. We dropped the bomb on them, which was the
right thing to do in context, but the bottom line is Pearl Harbor was
completely unnecessary. Dropping Fat Man and Little Boy didn't bring
the men of USS Arizona back, did it?
We won the war, I'm glad we did, and now, that war is over. You
jingo-jango *********** keep fighting it over and over, but it's done.
Paul Tibbets drives a Toyota. Get over it.
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
You're a loser and not worth debating.
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
You're a loser and not worth debating.
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
#16
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
You're a loser and not worth debating.
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip anti-American dribble>
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
"SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
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> Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
> murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even
the
> Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
> and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
> themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they
had
> coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)
>
As if China, before and since, has been a bastion of human rights. To say
the attack at Pearl Harbor was unfortunate is an understatement, but to
label it some action of evil is asinine. If WE had been the ones to do the
attacking do you think we would have announced it? Of course not. It's
what any military planner strives for, the element of surprise. It was a
military action, nothing more and nothing less and they handed our hat to
us.
Did the Japanese get what they had coming? The military most certainly so,
since they were the ones running the show and lying to the population, but
John Q. Public pretty much got the shaft at both ends.
The apologies have been given on more than one occasion, some times more
clear than others, but that is just the Japanese way. Rarely is ANYthing
ever said directly. It is almost impossible for them given their social
history. Hell, a group of modern day Japanese friends discussing where to
go for dinner contains enough indirect hints and beating about the bush that
you could write a college thesis on it. NOTHING is ever said directly, it
may be considered...rude.
Unfortunately for them, this communication shortfall is pretty much what
sealed their fate when it comes to the dropping of the bombs. That and our
inability to decipher what was truly being said by their government at the
time. The government was looking for a way out, the military (leadership)
were the ones wanting to go to the last man.
One of things that Americans are just as guilty of as a good portion of the
rest of the world is assuming that the actions of a government have the
complete blessing of it's population. It's why the Muslims and a good
portion of the world think "Americans" are devils, why the US thought all
Germans were **** murderers, Russians were Commie Bastards, Vietnamese were
Gooks, Chinese were ******, Japanese were Nips, Camel jockeys, rag heads,
towel heads, spear chuckers, frogs, wops on an on an on. Beginning to see
a pattern?
I see Indians (the REAL ones), Egyptians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and
Japanese etc. on a regular and personal basis. The fresh off the boat
variety so to speak and you know what? Without exception they have been
regular people that just want to live their lives in peace and get along
with everyone else. Pretty much just like your average every day American.
I'm sure though that there is the oddball extremist walking the streets
ready to sow death and destruction in the name of his religion. Much like
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.
Imagine that, white skinned Europeans willing to murder in the name of their
religion, and damn...not a towel or camel in sight.
#18
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
"SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
news:dh2ca601hbg@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
> murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even
the
> Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
> and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
> themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they
had
> coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)
>
As if China, before and since, has been a bastion of human rights. To say
the attack at Pearl Harbor was unfortunate is an understatement, but to
label it some action of evil is asinine. If WE had been the ones to do the
attacking do you think we would have announced it? Of course not. It's
what any military planner strives for, the element of surprise. It was a
military action, nothing more and nothing less and they handed our hat to
us.
Did the Japanese get what they had coming? The military most certainly so,
since they were the ones running the show and lying to the population, but
John Q. Public pretty much got the shaft at both ends.
The apologies have been given on more than one occasion, some times more
clear than others, but that is just the Japanese way. Rarely is ANYthing
ever said directly. It is almost impossible for them given their social
history. Hell, a group of modern day Japanese friends discussing where to
go for dinner contains enough indirect hints and beating about the bush that
you could write a college thesis on it. NOTHING is ever said directly, it
may be considered...rude.
Unfortunately for them, this communication shortfall is pretty much what
sealed their fate when it comes to the dropping of the bombs. That and our
inability to decipher what was truly being said by their government at the
time. The government was looking for a way out, the military (leadership)
were the ones wanting to go to the last man.
One of things that Americans are just as guilty of as a good portion of the
rest of the world is assuming that the actions of a government have the
complete blessing of it's population. It's why the Muslims and a good
portion of the world think "Americans" are devils, why the US thought all
Germans were **** murderers, Russians were Commie Bastards, Vietnamese were
Gooks, Chinese were ******, Japanese were Nips, Camel jockeys, rag heads,
towel heads, spear chuckers, frogs, wops on an on an on. Beginning to see
a pattern?
I see Indians (the REAL ones), Egyptians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and
Japanese etc. on a regular and personal basis. The fresh off the boat
variety so to speak and you know what? Without exception they have been
regular people that just want to live their lives in peace and get along
with everyone else. Pretty much just like your average every day American.
I'm sure though that there is the oddball extremist walking the streets
ready to sow death and destruction in the name of his religion. Much like
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.
Imagine that, white skinned Europeans willing to murder in the name of their
religion, and damn...not a towel or camel in sight.
#19
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
"SoK66" <Nospam@SoK.net> wrote in message
news:dh2ca601hbg@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Uh, Bret, the US "put Japan in the position...." because they had by 1941
> murdered about 10 million Chinese in a genocidal spree that shocked even
the
> Germans. I'd further suggest that by killing over 2000 sailors, soldiers
> and Marines, plus unknown number of US civilans on Dec. 7th, they proved
> themselves to be quite a threat to the United States. They got what they
had
> coming. (Someday they'll maybe even appologize to the Chinese.)
>
As if China, before and since, has been a bastion of human rights. To say
the attack at Pearl Harbor was unfortunate is an understatement, but to
label it some action of evil is asinine. If WE had been the ones to do the
attacking do you think we would have announced it? Of course not. It's
what any military planner strives for, the element of surprise. It was a
military action, nothing more and nothing less and they handed our hat to
us.
Did the Japanese get what they had coming? The military most certainly so,
since they were the ones running the show and lying to the population, but
John Q. Public pretty much got the shaft at both ends.
The apologies have been given on more than one occasion, some times more
clear than others, but that is just the Japanese way. Rarely is ANYthing
ever said directly. It is almost impossible for them given their social
history. Hell, a group of modern day Japanese friends discussing where to
go for dinner contains enough indirect hints and beating about the bush that
you could write a college thesis on it. NOTHING is ever said directly, it
may be considered...rude.
Unfortunately for them, this communication shortfall is pretty much what
sealed their fate when it comes to the dropping of the bombs. That and our
inability to decipher what was truly being said by their government at the
time. The government was looking for a way out, the military (leadership)
were the ones wanting to go to the last man.
One of things that Americans are just as guilty of as a good portion of the
rest of the world is assuming that the actions of a government have the
complete blessing of it's population. It's why the Muslims and a good
portion of the world think "Americans" are devils, why the US thought all
Germans were **** murderers, Russians were Commie Bastards, Vietnamese were
Gooks, Chinese were ******, Japanese were Nips, Camel jockeys, rag heads,
towel heads, spear chuckers, frogs, wops on an on an on. Beginning to see
a pattern?
I see Indians (the REAL ones), Egyptians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese, and
Japanese etc. on a regular and personal basis. The fresh off the boat
variety so to speak and you know what? Without exception they have been
regular people that just want to live their lives in peace and get along
with everyone else. Pretty much just like your average every day American.
I'm sure though that there is the oddball extremist walking the streets
ready to sow death and destruction in the name of his religion. Much like
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.
Imagine that, white skinned Europeans willing to murder in the name of their
religion, and damn...not a towel or camel in sight.
#20
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Re: Sidebar-USS Arizona Preservation Project
Come on now Bill,
They probably learned history from Ted Turner's American History
Documentaries.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
> again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
> loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
> YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>><snip>
They probably learned history from Ted Turner's American History
Documentaries.
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4334BABA.401594CE@***.net...
> YOu write: "So I guess we are going to have to learn the same thing
> again. It would be better if we did not have to repeat the senseless
> loss, like the men on USS Arizona." YOU THINK THE ATTACK WAS OUR FAULT!
> YOU F**KIN' A**HOLE!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>><snip>