Re: What kind of gas?
09-06-2003, 09:54 PM
#31
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Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
> are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
> cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
> octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
> is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
> unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
> opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
> sort.
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
> are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
> cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
> octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
> is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
> unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
> opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
> sort.
09-06-2003, 09:58 PM
#32
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Re: What kind of gas?
Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
"cleaning additives".]
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts
> of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything
> whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to
> do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it
> appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red
> herring issue.
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
"cleaning additives".]
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts
> of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything
> whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to
> do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it
> appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red
> herring issue.
09-06-2003, 09:58 PM
#33
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Re: What kind of gas?
Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
"cleaning additives".]
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts
> of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything
> whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to
> do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it
> appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red
> herring issue.
engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
"cleaning additives".]
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I cannot imagine how a statement about the relative amounts
> of detergents in pump gas could be twisted into anything
> whatever concerning aftermarket additives. Feel free to
> do so, just don't quote *me* out of context to make it
> appear I said anything whatever on that *unrelated* red
> herring issue.
09-06-2003, 10:25 PM
#34
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Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
> detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
> to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
> station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
> code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
> unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
> driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they
did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the
oil company engineers who made the statement that *except*
where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there
is little difference just happened to be from Chevron.
I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have
everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem
to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than
reality.
This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium
every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a
significant difference either.
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
> detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
> to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
> station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
> code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
> unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
> driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they
did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the
oil company engineers who made the statement that *except*
where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there
is little difference just happened to be from Chevron.
I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have
everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem
to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than
reality.
This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium
every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a
significant difference either.
09-06-2003, 10:25 PM
#35
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Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
> detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
> to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
> station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
> code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
> unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
> driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they
did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the
oil company engineers who made the statement that *except*
where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there
is little difference just happened to be from Chevron.
I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have
everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem
to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than
reality.
This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium
every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a
significant difference either.
> Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
> detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
> to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
> station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
> code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
> unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
> driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
I didn't say they were stupid, but I'd be very surprised if they
did more than follow instructions. And odd, but one of the
oil company engineers who made the statement that *except*
where an octane improver has dual use as a detergent there
is little difference just happened to be from Chevron.
I know their marketing departments would dearly love to have
everyone believe otherwise, but the auto companies also seem
to believe that there is more snake oil in those adverts than
reality.
This doesn't mean that I personally don't run a tank of premium
every now and then, but that also doesn't mean there is a
significant difference either.
09-06-2003, 10:26 PM
#36
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Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:58, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
> engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
> an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
> detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
> "cleaning additives".]
Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
AMF.
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
> engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
> an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
> detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
> "cleaning additives".]
Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
AMF.
09-06-2003, 10:26 PM
#37
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Re: What kind of gas?
Approximately 9/6/03 18:58, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
> engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
> an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
> detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
> "cleaning additives".]
Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
AMF.
> Well then Lon, I will say you lied when you wrote: [I've had two
> engineers from major oil companies swear up and down that *except* where
> an octane enhancer just also happens to be useful as an engine
> detergent, the different grades have no substantive differences in
> "cleaning additives".]
Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
AMF.
09-06-2003, 10:32 PM
#38
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Re: What kind of gas?
WHAT FACTS DID YOU OFFER!
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
> calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
> to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
> AMF.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
> calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
> to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
> AMF.
09-06-2003, 10:32 PM
#39
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Re: What kind of gas?
WHAT FACTS DID YOU OFFER!
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
> calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
> to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
> AMF.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Bummer dude, but screw yourself if you must resort to name
> calling. Doesn't change facts, just changes my willingness
> to continue this discussion when you lower yourself.
> AMF.