Re: What kind of gas?
09-06-2003, 05:56 PM
#21
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Re: What kind of gas?
I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
Approximately 9/6/03 10:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Steve Cowell wrote:
>>
>> Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most
>> newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon
>> build-up in low compression engines.
>> __
>> Steve
>> .
that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
Approximately 9/6/03 10:54, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> All major premium gasolines use cleaning additives.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Steve Cowell wrote:
>>
>> Octane is not determined by carburation, but by compression ratio. Most
>> newer vehicles are designed to run on 87. Higher octanes can cause carbon
>> build-up in low compression engines.
>> __
>> Steve
>> .
09-06-2003, 05:57 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
some halfway useful information.
Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
> final mix.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
>> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas.
>>
>> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't
>> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes.
>>
>> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not
>> octanes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
some halfway useful information.
Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
> final mix.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
>> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas.
>>
>> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't
>> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes.
>>
>> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not
>> octanes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-06-2003, 05:57 PM
#23
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Re: What kind of gas?
Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
some halfway useful information.
Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
> final mix.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
>> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas.
>>
>> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't
>> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes.
>>
>> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not
>> octanes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
some halfway useful information.
Approximately 9/6/03 14:13, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Talk to any transport driver, they are the one's that make the
> final mix.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Bill, the major gas folks were in the news not too long ago saying the
>> only difference is octane, the same 'cleaners' are in all grades of gas.
>>
>> Yes, they label them only saying the high has it, but that isn't
>> reality, they just omit to label the lower octanes.
>>
>> Now brand to brand make a radical difference in cleaners, but not
>> octanes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-06-2003, 07:50 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
operate together.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
> organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
> some halfway useful information.
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
operate together.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
> organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
> some halfway useful information.
09-06-2003, 07:50 PM
#25
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Re: What kind of gas?
Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
operate together.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
> organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
> some halfway useful information.
octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
operate together.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you can find a transport driver with a degree in
> organic chemistry and automotive fuel systems, might get
> some halfway useful information.
09-06-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, you can't possibly believe that. That's like saying all after
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most
commonly kerosene.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
> that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
> useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
> substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most
commonly kerosene.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
> that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
> useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
> substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
09-06-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, you can't possibly believe that. That's like saying all after
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most
commonly kerosene.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
> that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
> useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
> substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
market additives are the same, although many are snake oil, most
commonly kerosene.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I've had two engineers from major oil companies swear up and down
> that *except* where an octane enhancer just also happens to be
> useful as an engine detergent, the different grades have no
> substantive differences in "cleaning additives".
09-06-2003, 08:32 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
sort.
Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
> octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
> the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
> pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
> operate together.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
sort.
Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
> octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
> the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
> pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
> operate together.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
09-06-2003, 08:32 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
sort.
Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
> octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
> the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
> pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
> operate together.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
sort.
Approximately 9/6/03 16:50, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Jeez, we're just talking about adding additives to different
> octanes of gasoline and it the tank drivers' responsibility to program
> the mixture as he fills his truck from a common depot at the end of a
> pipe line such as in San Diego, where several major oil companies
> operate together.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
09-06-2003, 09:54 PM
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Re: What kind of gas?
Lon, I'm saying that part of the additional cost of premium is the
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
> are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
> cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
> octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
> is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
> unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
> opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
> sort.
detergent cleaners, that are not in the regular grades, this according
to the drivers that have delivered millions of gallons of Chevron to my
station: http://www.----------.com/chevron.jpg Which were also color
code additive clear for the old 105 octane Custom, replaced with orange
unleaded, blue Supreme, and red for regular. What makes you think a
driver with hazardous, tanks permits is stupid?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> I dunno, *we* were talking about whether or not there really
> are more "additives" in the premium grades as opposed to the
> cheaper ones.... with the obvious answer that there is more
> octane improver [e.g. MTBE, alcohol]. The issue in question
> is whether or not there are more detergent additives. Still
> unconvinced that a tank driver would know which is which as
> opposed to instructions to "add 50 gallons of the pink stuff"
> sort.