question on jeep dealer refusing service.
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
>Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
>normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
majority
of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in mine.
I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
it's share of "sleaze *****".
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
>regarding car dealers.
Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from dealers
in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
& told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
black)
but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test drive
& would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
price.
Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for the
last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a big
PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
And as for
>Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
"If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
L8r - Jersey
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
>Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
>normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
majority
of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in mine.
I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
it's share of "sleaze *****".
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
>regarding car dealers.
Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from dealers
in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
& told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
black)
but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test drive
& would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
price.
Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for the
last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a big
PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
And as for
>Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
"If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
L8r - Jersey
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
>Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
>normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
majority
of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in mine.
I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
it's share of "sleaze *****".
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
>regarding car dealers.
Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from dealers
in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
& told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
black)
but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test drive
& would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
price.
Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for the
last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a big
PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
And as for
>Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
"If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
L8r - Jersey
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
>Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
>normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
majority
of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in mine.
I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
it's share of "sleaze *****".
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
>regarding car dealers.
Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from dealers
in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
& told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
black)
but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test drive
& would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
price.
Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for the
last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a big
PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
And as for
>Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
"If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
L8r - Jersey
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
My experience with car dealers (prior to selling cars) was good. I bought 8
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
My experience with car dealers (prior to selling cars) was good. I bought 8
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
My experience with car dealers (prior to selling cars) was good. I bought 8
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
vehicles from dealers in Colorado, Wyoming, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.
Small or large store didn't make a difference, I was treated with courtesy
and respect in all cases, getting a good deal through negotiation. I did
buy two Saturns - no negotiation. Did I encounter a few salespeople with
very little experience and practically no product knowledge? Yes. I walked
out of those stores. Did I encounter some car stores exhibiting
overbearing and uncomfortable sales tactics? Yes. Again, I walked.
In some ways, things are different here in rural Wyoming. Word gets around
real quick if any business is treating customers poorly. Businesses in
large urban areas can more easily get away with abusive tactics, there's
always a fresh supply of new customers and word-of-mouth only goes so far.
Note that I'm talking about businesses, not car stores specifically. While
the auto industry has its share of problems, many other businesses do as
well.
Sorry to hear of your bad buying experience with the black Jeep.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Jersey" <IamHellbound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sMmdnda1y4XJ_RvdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
>
> The Cactus Cowboy is all concerned about:
> >Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just a
> >normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>
> Okay don't go postal on me. The "sleaze ball" comment wasn't meant as
> a personal attack, it's a general perception. I think if you ask, the
> majority
> of the population is gona agree with me. Besides where are you from,
> Wyoming? There's probably more people in my town then are in your
> whole state & I'm sure things are a bit different in your area then in
mine.
> I will agree that in the last few years things are starting to turn around
> at some dealers as for how they are doing business but all you
> have to do is check out the local news to see that the industry still has
> it's share of "sleaze *****".
>
> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/27/Bu...aler_set.shtml
>
> >You need to honestly examine YOUR attitude and why it's so poor
> >regarding car dealers.
>
> Oh you mean the ones that lie & missrepsent the auto they are trying
> to get me to buy? When I bought my TJ last year I did it over the net.
> I sent out the info with some service (?) & got several emails from
dealers
> in my area with offers. I picked one, went down to check out the Jeep
> & told the one I wanted was at another lot of theirs (I wanted black on
> black)
> but they had the "Exact one except in a different color", I could test
drive
> & would have the other one sent up from the other dealers. So I did
> the test drive, worked out a deal with my trade-in & was told to come back
> the next day & they would have the Jeep there. When I went back the
> first thing the salesman wanted to do was have me sign the paper work
> BUT I wanted to see the Jeep & it's a good thing cause the thing had
> none of the options I wanted. Already long story short I was lied to &
> then I got to see him do the dance & try to convince me that was the Jeep
> I wanted. I should have walked right there but I sat & renegotiated the
> price.
> Listen I'm no kid, I've been buying a new vehicle every 3 - 4 years for
the
> last 30 some years. You figure out how many that is & all in all it's a
big
> PIA. Maybe next time I should drive out to Wyoming or get a Saturn.
>
> And as for
> >Is your Email address "IamHellbound" indicative of your life view?
>
> That's only one of like 17 email address I have & it's a crossover
> from a Harley (biker) newsgroup I visit & like the Ol saying goes,
> "If I have to explain - you wouldn't understand"
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
