Some people just want to buy a car in a civilised manner without feeling
that they are in an Arab market place.
WTF should I practice my negotiating skills when I don't have to ?
You have a car, I have money - you want more than I pay, I walk without
further ado.
Do you 'negotiate' at the supermarket ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:tOqdndJ45_iwPRzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> It sounds like you prefer receiving a 'bottom dollar' price without
> negotiation, or as you put it, "playing head games" & "childish stunts".
If
> that's what you want, simply ask for it the next time you car shop. As a
> salesman, I'm perfectly happy to accomodate such demands. Keep in mind
that
> negotiation is a buying/selling skill and you're more likely to get a
better
> price by effectively negotiating versus demanding bottom dollar. Don't
view
> negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing, etc.....
> It's not.
>
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with any dealer asking full list price
and
> showing ACV on a trade. Don't ever take that as an insult. Some
customers
> (very few actually) will sign up and take delivery when asked for all the
> money. Guess what? Those customers are by far the happiest! They'll
tell
> friends and family about the great deal they got and send us referrals.
Did
> they really get a great deal? Yes, in their minds they did, and that's
all
> that really matters.
>
> In contrast, there are "ten percenters", the customers who negotiate
> relentlessly until we're discounting below invoice, going into holdback.
> (They actually will drive 300 miles to save $50 - I've seen it). I've
sold
> my share of ten percenters and they're usually the biggest complainers in
> the service and parts department. Some will bitterly complain to their
> friends and family about getting their "heads ripped off" and how all car
> dealers are "crooks". In many cases, we're talking about people who are
mad
> at world and unhappy in general.
>
> Buying vehicles is never a simple matter of getting the "best price".
There
> are many other factors such as supply and demand on a particular model,
how
> long the desired vehicle has been in the dealer's inventory, what the
> customer is trading in, customers with negative equity in a trade and/or
bad
> credit, the car store's sales philosophy and style, etc........
>
> My advice is to lighten up a bit the next time you buy. Having less of an
> adversarial attitude will do much to make car shopping more enjoyable.
Also
> consider that a true sales professional will try to control the sales
> process by following the basics: greeting, establish rapport, fact
> finding/assess needs, presentation/walk around, demo drive, write up, and
> delivery. Shortcutting that process is unfair to the customer and the car
> dealer. Plan to spend 45 minutes, or longer if you buy and the dealer
does
> a spot delivery. If 45 minutes is too much to ask of your "precious
time",
> plan to walk in and write a check for an advertised special when it
appears
> in the newspaper.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
> news:du0gc.8345$aM4.20562@attbi_s53...
> > Roughly 4/15/04 21:51, cactuscowboy's monkeys randomly typed:
> >
> > > I sell Jeeps. Did you really get a "better deal" 170 miles away?
> Perhaps
> > > you didn't negotiate properly with your local dealer?
> >
> > Some dealers are just more interested in playing head games than
> > making money. I would drive 170 miles and pay *more* to make sure
> > this type never accidentally makes as much as a penny from me.
> >
> > On the other hand, a dealershipt that does not insist on playing
> > games or wasting my valuable time in "hang on, gotta go check with
> > the manager" childish stunts can make extra money... my time is
> > worth more than a few lousy dollars.
> >
> >
> > > Where I work, we
> > > don't lose deals over price to competing dealers, no matter where
> they're
> > > located.
> >
> > Note that I am not saying your dealership does this, but if I come
> > there and get one price, then drive 170 miles and get a far better
> > one, the odds of me wasting my valuable time coming back to you
> > to see if you'll match or beat it are zero and none. If you offer
> > the cheaper price only after I've found a better one, you have
> > already kissed the deal goodbye by playing games. You can add
> > an additional penalty factor if I've been getting my vehicle
> > serviced at your dealership for the past couple years and then
> > some salestype tries this on what would be presumed to be a
> > reasonably loyal customer. Granted before I go to the front of
> > a dealer I'll be very likely to ask the service writer which
> > salesman pisses him off the least.
> >
> >
> > > Was that factored into the alleged "better deal"?
> >
> > It ain't always money.
> > >
> > > I live in a small town in NW Wyoming. With very, very few exceptions,
I
> do
> > > all of my shopping locally. It's important to me that I support my
> friends
> > > and neighbors and the local economy. My car store supports our
> community,
> > > giving generously to non-profit organizations, sponsoring the county
> fair,
> > > 4H programs, etc...... In contrast, residents here who spend money
out
> of
> > > state (typically Billings, Montana) contribute absolutely NOTHING to
the
> > > local Wyoming economy.
> >
> > Yeah, I gotta agree there... a local dealer who treats folks right
> > is worth extra money in my book. However if that dealer offers to
> > beat an out of town offer only after I've wasted 300+ miles, they
> > tend to get removed from the "treats loyal customers right" category
> > in a hurry.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate
> >
>
>

 

Some people just want to buy a car in a civilised manner without feeling
that they are in an Arab market place.
WTF should I practice my negotiating skills when I don't have to ?
You have a car, I have money - you want more than I pay, I walk without
further ado.
Do you 'negotiate' at the supermarket ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:tOqdndJ45_iwPRzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> It sounds like you prefer receiving a 'bottom dollar' price without
> negotiation, or as you put it, "playing head games" & "childish stunts".
If
> that's what you want, simply ask for it the next time you car shop. As a
> salesman, I'm perfectly happy to accomodate such demands. Keep in mind
that
> negotiation is a buying/selling skill and you're more likely to get a
better
> price by effectively negotiating versus demanding bottom dollar. Don't
view
> negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing, etc.....
> It's not.
>
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with any dealer asking full list price
and
> showing ACV on a trade. Don't ever take that as an insult. Some
customers
> (very few actually) will sign up and take delivery when asked for all the
> money. Guess what? Those customers are by far the happiest! They'll
tell
> friends and family about the great deal they got and send us referrals.
Did
> they really get a great deal? Yes, in their minds they did, and that's
all
> that really matters.
>
> In contrast, there are "ten percenters", the customers who negotiate
> relentlessly until we're discounting below invoice, going into holdback.
> (They actually will drive 300 miles to save $50 - I've seen it). I've
sold
> my share of ten percenters and they're usually the biggest complainers in
> the service and parts department. Some will bitterly complain to their
> friends and family about getting their "heads ripped off" and how all car
> dealers are "crooks". In many cases, we're talking about people who are
mad
> at world and unhappy in general.
>
> Buying vehicles is never a simple matter of getting the "best price".
There
> are many other factors such as supply and demand on a particular model,
how
> long the desired vehicle has been in the dealer's inventory, what the
> customer is trading in, customers with negative equity in a trade and/or
bad
> credit, the car store's sales philosophy and style, etc........
>
> My advice is to lighten up a bit the next time you buy. Having less of an
> adversarial attitude will do much to make car shopping more enjoyable.
Also
> consider that a true sales professional will try to control the sales
> process by following the basics: greeting, establish rapport, fact
> finding/assess needs, presentation/walk around, demo drive, write up, and
> delivery. Shortcutting that process is unfair to the customer and the car
> dealer. Plan to spend 45 minutes, or longer if you buy and the dealer
does
> a spot delivery. If 45 minutes is too much to ask of your "precious
time",
> plan to walk in and write a check for an advertised special when it
appears
> in the newspaper.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
> news:du0gc.8345$aM4.20562@attbi_s53...
> > Roughly 4/15/04 21:51, cactuscowboy's monkeys randomly typed:
> >
> > > I sell Jeeps. Did you really get a "better deal" 170 miles away?
> Perhaps
> > > you didn't negotiate properly with your local dealer?
> >
> > Some dealers are just more interested in playing head games than
> > making money. I would drive 170 miles and pay *more* to make sure
> > this type never accidentally makes as much as a penny from me.
> >
> > On the other hand, a dealershipt that does not insist on playing
> > games or wasting my valuable time in "hang on, gotta go check with
> > the manager" childish stunts can make extra money... my time is
> > worth more than a few lousy dollars.
> >
> >
> > > Where I work, we
> > > don't lose deals over price to competing dealers, no matter where
> they're
> > > located.
> >
> > Note that I am not saying your dealership does this, but if I come
> > there and get one price, then drive 170 miles and get a far better
> > one, the odds of me wasting my valuable time coming back to you
> > to see if you'll match or beat it are zero and none. If you offer
> > the cheaper price only after I've found a better one, you have
> > already kissed the deal goodbye by playing games. You can add
> > an additional penalty factor if I've been getting my vehicle
> > serviced at your dealership for the past couple years and then
> > some salestype tries this on what would be presumed to be a
> > reasonably loyal customer. Granted before I go to the front of
> > a dealer I'll be very likely to ask the service writer which
> > salesman pisses him off the least.
> >
> >
> > > Was that factored into the alleged "better deal"?
> >
> > It ain't always money.
> > >
> > > I live in a small town in NW Wyoming. With very, very few exceptions,
I
> do
> > > all of my shopping locally. It's important to me that I support my
> friends
> > > and neighbors and the local economy. My car store supports our
> community,
> > > giving generously to non-profit organizations, sponsoring the county
> fair,
> > > 4H programs, etc...... In contrast, residents here who spend money
out
> of
> > > state (typically Billings, Montana) contribute absolutely NOTHING to
the
> > > local Wyoming economy.
> >
> > Yeah, I gotta agree there... a local dealer who treats folks right
> > is worth extra money in my book. However if that dealer offers to
> > beat an out of town offer only after I've wasted 300+ miles, they
> > tend to get removed from the "treats loyal customers right" category
> > in a hurry.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate
> >
>
>

 

Some people just want to buy a car in a civilised manner without feeling
that they are in an Arab market place.
WTF should I practice my negotiating skills when I don't have to ?
You have a car, I have money - you want more than I pay, I walk without
further ado.
Do you 'negotiate' at the supermarket ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:tOqdndJ45_iwPRzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> It sounds like you prefer receiving a 'bottom dollar' price without
> negotiation, or as you put it, "playing head games" & "childish stunts".
If
> that's what you want, simply ask for it the next time you car shop. As a
> salesman, I'm perfectly happy to accomodate such demands. Keep in mind
that
> negotiation is a buying/selling skill and you're more likely to get a
better
> price by effectively negotiating versus demanding bottom dollar. Don't
view
> negotiating as confrontation, personal attacks, game playing, etc.....
> It's not.
>
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with any dealer asking full list price
and
> showing ACV on a trade. Don't ever take that as an insult. Some
customers
> (very few actually) will sign up and take delivery when asked for all the
> money. Guess what? Those customers are by far the happiest! They'll
tell
> friends and family about the great deal they got and send us referrals.
Did
> they really get a great deal? Yes, in their minds they did, and that's
all
> that really matters.
>
> In contrast, there are "ten percenters", the customers who negotiate
> relentlessly until we're discounting below invoice, going into holdback.
> (They actually will drive 300 miles to save $50 - I've seen it). I've
sold
> my share of ten percenters and they're usually the biggest complainers in
> the service and parts department. Some will bitterly complain to their
> friends and family about getting their "heads ripped off" and how all car
> dealers are "crooks". In many cases, we're talking about people who are
mad
> at world and unhappy in general.
>
> Buying vehicles is never a simple matter of getting the "best price".
There
> are many other factors such as supply and demand on a particular model,
how
> long the desired vehicle has been in the dealer's inventory, what the
> customer is trading in, customers with negative equity in a trade and/or
bad
> credit, the car store's sales philosophy and style, etc........
>
> My advice is to lighten up a bit the next time you buy. Having less of an
> adversarial attitude will do much to make car shopping more enjoyable.
Also
> consider that a true sales professional will try to control the sales
> process by following the basics: greeting, establish rapport, fact
> finding/assess needs, presentation/walk around, demo drive, write up, and
> delivery. Shortcutting that process is unfair to the customer and the car
> dealer. Plan to spend 45 minutes, or longer if you buy and the dealer
does
> a spot delivery. If 45 minutes is too much to ask of your "precious
time",
> plan to walk in and write a check for an advertised special when it
appears
> in the newspaper.
>
> Best regards,
> Dave Rose
> Cactus Cowboy
> Big Wonderful Wyoming
> '49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
> '62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
> '98 XJ Sport
> O|||||||O
>
>
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
> news:du0gc.8345$aM4.20562@attbi_s53...
> > Roughly 4/15/04 21:51, cactuscowboy's monkeys randomly typed:
> >
> > > I sell Jeeps. Did you really get a "better deal" 170 miles away?
> Perhaps
> > > you didn't negotiate properly with your local dealer?
> >
> > Some dealers are just more interested in playing head games than
> > making money. I would drive 170 miles and pay *more* to make sure
> > this type never accidentally makes as much as a penny from me.
> >
> > On the other hand, a dealershipt that does not insist on playing
> > games or wasting my valuable time in "hang on, gotta go check with
> > the manager" childish stunts can make extra money... my time is
> > worth more than a few lousy dollars.
> >
> >
> > > Where I work, we
> > > don't lose deals over price to competing dealers, no matter where
> they're
> > > located.
> >
> > Note that I am not saying your dealership does this, but if I come
> > there and get one price, then drive 170 miles and get a far better
> > one, the odds of me wasting my valuable time coming back to you
> > to see if you'll match or beat it are zero and none. If you offer
> > the cheaper price only after I've found a better one, you have
> > already kissed the deal goodbye by playing games. You can add
> > an additional penalty factor if I've been getting my vehicle
> > serviced at your dealership for the past couple years and then
> > some salestype tries this on what would be presumed to be a
> > reasonably loyal customer. Granted before I go to the front of
> > a dealer I'll be very likely to ask the service writer which
> > salesman pisses him off the least.
> >
> >
> > > Was that factored into the alleged "better deal"?
> >
> > It ain't always money.
> > >
> > > I live in a small town in NW Wyoming. With very, very few exceptions,
I
> do
> > > all of my shopping locally. It's important to me that I support my
> friends
> > > and neighbors and the local economy. My car store supports our
> community,
> > > giving generously to non-profit organizations, sponsoring the county
> fair,
> > > 4H programs, etc...... In contrast, residents here who spend money
out
> of
> > > state (typically Billings, Montana) contribute absolutely NOTHING to
the
> > > local Wyoming economy.
> >
> > Yeah, I gotta agree there... a local dealer who treats folks right
> > is worth extra money in my book. However if that dealer offers to
> > beat an out of town offer only after I've wasted 300+ miles, they
> > tend to get removed from the "treats loyal customers right" category
> > in a hurry.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Evolution is merely survival of the minimally adequate
> >
>
>

 

[interleaved response to specific points]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, cactuscowboy wrote:

> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
> > not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>
> If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a
> vehicle and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase,
> is that not a good deal? Would you consider that "taking extra money"?

I wouldn't call it "taking extra money" -- I'd call it gouging. Once
again, your enjoyment of your job blinds you to the way ordinary people
think about negotiating for a vehicle. They _don't_ enjoy it, they walk
in thinking "A fool and his money are soon parted, and this guy is a
professional, paid fool-maker". But, hey, it gives you an outlet for your
talent and keeps you from expressing it a less acceptable way, like oh,
say, televangelism. Or grifting.

Or... Are you simply engaging in a very subtle bit of trolling? You are
certainly getting plenty of bites in this little pond.


> Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
> car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
> medical expenses, etc....?

Again with the cognitive disconnect. People _do_ bitch about the price of
groceries, electricity, medical expenses (do you not read the papers?),
fuel (do you not read the papers?), cable TV and so on. The difference
that you are ignoring is that these are retailed without the /need/ to
haggle. There's the price, pay up or walk away. But then again,
salesmanship is all about getting the customer to see things the way you
want then to see them, not necessarily the way that they are.

I'm just not sure what it is that you are trying to sell the group, but it
sure seems like you are trying to sell something.

I can tell. I'm getting hives just reading this.

 

[interleaved response to specific points]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, cactuscowboy wrote:

> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
> > not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>
> If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a
> vehicle and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase,
> is that not a good deal? Would you consider that "taking extra money"?

I wouldn't call it "taking extra money" -- I'd call it gouging. Once
again, your enjoyment of your job blinds you to the way ordinary people
think about negotiating for a vehicle. They _don't_ enjoy it, they walk
in thinking "A fool and his money are soon parted, and this guy is a
professional, paid fool-maker". But, hey, it gives you an outlet for your
talent and keeps you from expressing it a less acceptable way, like oh,
say, televangelism. Or grifting.

Or... Are you simply engaging in a very subtle bit of trolling? You are
certainly getting plenty of bites in this little pond.


> Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
> car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
> medical expenses, etc....?

Again with the cognitive disconnect. People _do_ bitch about the price of
groceries, electricity, medical expenses (do you not read the papers?),
fuel (do you not read the papers?), cable TV and so on. The difference
that you are ignoring is that these are retailed without the /need/ to
haggle. There's the price, pay up or walk away. But then again,
salesmanship is all about getting the customer to see things the way you
want then to see them, not necessarily the way that they are.

I'm just not sure what it is that you are trying to sell the group, but it
sure seems like you are trying to sell something.

I can tell. I'm getting hives just reading this.

 

[interleaved response to specific points]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, cactuscowboy wrote:

> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
> > not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>
> If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a
> vehicle and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase,
> is that not a good deal? Would you consider that "taking extra money"?

I wouldn't call it "taking extra money" -- I'd call it gouging. Once
again, your enjoyment of your job blinds you to the way ordinary people
think about negotiating for a vehicle. They _don't_ enjoy it, they walk
in thinking "A fool and his money are soon parted, and this guy is a
professional, paid fool-maker". But, hey, it gives you an outlet for your
talent and keeps you from expressing it a less acceptable way, like oh,
say, televangelism. Or grifting.

Or... Are you simply engaging in a very subtle bit of trolling? You are
certainly getting plenty of bites in this little pond.


> Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
> car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
> medical expenses, etc....?

Again with the cognitive disconnect. People _do_ bitch about the price of
groceries, electricity, medical expenses (do you not read the papers?),
fuel (do you not read the papers?), cable TV and so on. The difference
that you are ignoring is that these are retailed without the /need/ to
haggle. There's the price, pay up or walk away. But then again,
salesmanship is all about getting the customer to see things the way you
want then to see them, not necessarily the way that they are.

I'm just not sure what it is that you are trying to sell the group, but it
sure seems like you are trying to sell something.

I can tell. I'm getting hives just reading this.

 

[interleaved response to specific points]

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, cactuscowboy wrote:

> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
> > not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>
> If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a
> vehicle and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase,
> is that not a good deal? Would you consider that "taking extra money"?

I wouldn't call it "taking extra money" -- I'd call it gouging. Once
again, your enjoyment of your job blinds you to the way ordinary people
think about negotiating for a vehicle. They _don't_ enjoy it, they walk
in thinking "A fool and his money are soon parted, and this guy is a
professional, paid fool-maker". But, hey, it gives you an outlet for your
talent and keeps you from expressing it a less acceptable way, like oh,
say, televangelism. Or grifting.

Or... Are you simply engaging in a very subtle bit of trolling? You are
certainly getting plenty of bites in this little pond.


> Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
> car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
> medical expenses, etc....?

Again with the cognitive disconnect. People _do_ bitch about the price of
groceries, electricity, medical expenses (do you not read the papers?),
fuel (do you not read the papers?), cable TV and so on. The difference
that you are ignoring is that these are retailed without the /need/ to
haggle. There's the price, pay up or walk away. But then again,
salesmanship is all about getting the customer to see things the way you
want then to see them, not necessarily the way that they are.

I'm just not sure what it is that you are trying to sell the group, but it
sure seems like you are trying to sell something.

I can tell. I'm getting hives just reading this.

 

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the bottom of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"mabar" <mabar@NoSpammmgbronline.com> wrote in message
news:SLudnSZFCJlliBjd4p2dnA@gbronline.com...
> But top posting is SO MUCH easier to read. You don't have to scroll down
> (sometimes a LONG way down) to the bottom of the post just to see a
> sometimes one or two line reply.
>
> Snipping out the part of the original post that is unrelated to your reply
> also helps make for an easier, quicker read.
>
> I much prefer top posted replies.
>
> Tom
>
> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
> >
> snip
>
>

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the top of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

 

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the bottom of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"mabar" <mabar@NoSpammmgbronline.com> wrote in message
news:SLudnSZFCJlliBjd4p2dnA@gbronline.com...
> But top posting is SO MUCH easier to read. You don't have to scroll down
> (sometimes a LONG way down) to the bottom of the post just to see a
> sometimes one or two line reply.
>
> Snipping out the part of the original post that is unrelated to your reply
> also helps make for an easier, quicker read.
>
> I much prefer top posted replies.
>
> Tom
>
> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
> >
> snip
>
>

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the top of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

 

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the bottom of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"mabar" <mabar@NoSpammmgbronline.com> wrote in message
news:SLudnSZFCJlliBjd4p2dnA@gbronline.com...
> But top posting is SO MUCH easier to read. You don't have to scroll down
> (sometimes a LONG way down) to the bottom of the post just to see a
> sometimes one or two line reply.
>
> Snipping out the part of the original post that is unrelated to your reply
> also helps make for an easier, quicker read.
>
> I much prefer top posted replies.
>
> Tom
>
> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
> >
> snip
>
>

I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the top of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ