Jersey wrote:
> I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
>
There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
higher their year end kick back .

 

Jersey wrote:
> I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
>
There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
higher their year end kick back .

 

Jersey wrote:
> I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
>
> L8r - Jersey
>
>
>
There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
higher their year end kick back .

 

But not everyone feels that way. I don't like scrolling through dozens of
lines of prior quotes to read a posting.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Sleestak" <here@there.com> wrote in message
news:1088ds47p8e2g82@corp.supernews.com...
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
>
>
> Amen! Wish everyone felt this way.

 

But not everyone feels that way. I don't like scrolling through dozens of
lines of prior quotes to read a posting.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Sleestak" <here@there.com> wrote in message
news:1088ds47p8e2g82@corp.supernews.com...
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
>
>
> Amen! Wish everyone felt this way.

 

But not everyone feels that way. I don't like scrolling through dozens of
lines of prior quotes to read a posting.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Sleestak" <here@there.com> wrote in message
news:1088ds47p8e2g82@corp.supernews.com...
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
>
>
> Amen! Wish everyone felt this way.

 

But not everyone feels that way. I don't like scrolling through dozens of
lines of prior quotes to read a posting.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Sleestak" <here@there.com> wrote in message
news:1088ds47p8e2g82@corp.supernews.com...
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
>
>
> Amen! Wish everyone felt this way.

 

Greetings from Big Wonderful Wyoming,

Scroll down for a bottom posting......

"cooper" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:hYQgc.10525$hM2.7558@nntp-post.primus.ca...
>
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
>
> My negotiation skills suck. I don't think I _have_ to be skilled in
> negotiating to spend thousands of my dollars at a dealership. I'm one of
> those people that just can't seem to say what they need to say, or have
the
> directness needed to be a 'negotiator'. I HATE trying to buy a new car,
and
> it's why I passed on an 02 and bought my 94 YJ from a private sale.
>
> I don't want to own a Saturn. I don't want to limit myself to waiting for
> the one selected model in an advertised special.I wanted the TJ (sorry
Bill)
> that I wanted but couldn't get the 'deal' that I could have if I had
> negotiating skills. Should I take a course? Bah.
>
> You sound like a successful salesman for sure. I'm glad you enjoy it. But
> don't expect the negative comments you're receiving is just because of one
> bad experience. Not everyone is good at head games or quick with a reply,
or
> has the skills required to take 3k off the asked price.
>
> coop

I understand, I've owned two Saturns. I'd rather have a Jeep!

Negotiating skills 101:

*If you're in love with the desired vehicle, don't show it.
*Be prepared to walk.
*Walk... and see what happens.
*Be reasonable, ankle shots at thousands below a dealer's cost will not be
taken seriously. After all, any car store needs to turn a profit to keep
their doors open.
*Have a positive attitude.

I am a successful saleman, thanks for the compliment.

"3k off the asked price".... is that a good deal? Maybe. It depends on
what you're buying. For example, the markup (dealer invoice vs. MSRP) on a
Ford Focus is very small, while it's much larger on a Ford Superduty.
You'll never get a 3k discount on a Focus, but on a Superduty....well, just
drop me a line, I can arrange it. It's easy enough to figure out what
dealer invoice is. You can go directly to the official Ford website, build
a vehicle to your specs and see exactly what dealer invoice is. Yes, it is
that easy. There are many websites out there that will give you invoice
cost on Jeeps. Do some research.

I don't blame you for not wanting the advertised specials. More often than
not they're stripped down base models or aged inventory, e.g. the puke green
color that nobody wants and the dealer has been sitting on for 10 months.
If the model you seek is the hot color that's in high demand, and you've got
to have it right now, step up your thinking regarding price. If you have
the luxury of waiting 8-10 weeks, ordering a Jeep to your specs will be the
best way to go.

Buying a car is not about head games and being taken advantage of. Be
informed, be smart and go in with a positive attitude. If you're being
jerked around, walk. Have fun.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

 

Greetings from Big Wonderful Wyoming,

Scroll down for a bottom posting......

"cooper" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:hYQgc.10525$hM2.7558@nntp-post.primus.ca...
>
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
>
> My negotiation skills suck. I don't think I _have_ to be skilled in
> negotiating to spend thousands of my dollars at a dealership. I'm one of
> those people that just can't seem to say what they need to say, or have
the
> directness needed to be a 'negotiator'. I HATE trying to buy a new car,
and
> it's why I passed on an 02 and bought my 94 YJ from a private sale.
>
> I don't want to own a Saturn. I don't want to limit myself to waiting for
> the one selected model in an advertised special.I wanted the TJ (sorry
Bill)
> that I wanted but couldn't get the 'deal' that I could have if I had
> negotiating skills. Should I take a course? Bah.
>
> You sound like a successful salesman for sure. I'm glad you enjoy it. But
> don't expect the negative comments you're receiving is just because of one
> bad experience. Not everyone is good at head games or quick with a reply,
or
> has the skills required to take 3k off the asked price.
>
> coop

I understand, I've owned two Saturns. I'd rather have a Jeep!

Negotiating skills 101:

*If you're in love with the desired vehicle, don't show it.
*Be prepared to walk.
*Walk... and see what happens.
*Be reasonable, ankle shots at thousands below a dealer's cost will not be
taken seriously. After all, any car store needs to turn a profit to keep
their doors open.
*Have a positive attitude.

I am a successful saleman, thanks for the compliment.

"3k off the asked price".... is that a good deal? Maybe. It depends on
what you're buying. For example, the markup (dealer invoice vs. MSRP) on a
Ford Focus is very small, while it's much larger on a Ford Superduty.
You'll never get a 3k discount on a Focus, but on a Superduty....well, just
drop me a line, I can arrange it. It's easy enough to figure out what
dealer invoice is. You can go directly to the official Ford website, build
a vehicle to your specs and see exactly what dealer invoice is. Yes, it is
that easy. There are many websites out there that will give you invoice
cost on Jeeps. Do some research.

I don't blame you for not wanting the advertised specials. More often than
not they're stripped down base models or aged inventory, e.g. the puke green
color that nobody wants and the dealer has been sitting on for 10 months.
If the model you seek is the hot color that's in high demand, and you've got
to have it right now, step up your thinking regarding price. If you have
the luxury of waiting 8-10 weeks, ordering a Jeep to your specs will be the
best way to go.

Buying a car is not about head games and being taken advantage of. Be
informed, be smart and go in with a positive attitude. If you're being
jerked around, walk. Have fun.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

 

Greetings from Big Wonderful Wyoming,

Scroll down for a bottom posting......

"cooper" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:hYQgc.10525$hM2.7558@nntp-post.primus.ca...
>
> "cactuscowboy" <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:UKidnQx9iaTqbhzdRVn-vg@bresnan.com...
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
> > You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, the vast majority
of
> > buyers expect to negotiate their vehicle purchase and have no problem
> doing
> > so. If you find it so difficult, you should either buy a Saturn or
merely
> > wait for advertised specials.
> >
>
> My negotiation skills suck. I don't think I _have_ to be skilled in
> negotiating to spend thousands of my dollars at a dealership. I'm one of
> those people that just can't seem to say what they need to say, or have
the
> directness needed to be a 'negotiator'. I HATE trying to buy a new car,
and
> it's why I passed on an 02 and bought my 94 YJ from a private sale.
>
> I don't want to own a Saturn. I don't want to limit myself to waiting for
> the one selected model in an advertised special.I wanted the TJ (sorry
Bill)
> that I wanted but couldn't get the 'deal' that I could have if I had
> negotiating skills. Should I take a course? Bah.
>
> You sound like a successful salesman for sure. I'm glad you enjoy it. But
> don't expect the negative comments you're receiving is just because of one
> bad experience. Not everyone is good at head games or quick with a reply,
or
> has the skills required to take 3k off the asked price.
>
> coop

I understand, I've owned two Saturns. I'd rather have a Jeep!

Negotiating skills 101:

*If you're in love with the desired vehicle, don't show it.
*Be prepared to walk.
*Walk... and see what happens.
*Be reasonable, ankle shots at thousands below a dealer's cost will not be
taken seriously. After all, any car store needs to turn a profit to keep
their doors open.
*Have a positive attitude.

I am a successful saleman, thanks for the compliment.

"3k off the asked price".... is that a good deal? Maybe. It depends on
what you're buying. For example, the markup (dealer invoice vs. MSRP) on a
Ford Focus is very small, while it's much larger on a Ford Superduty.
You'll never get a 3k discount on a Focus, but on a Superduty....well, just
drop me a line, I can arrange it. It's easy enough to figure out what
dealer invoice is. You can go directly to the official Ford website, build
a vehicle to your specs and see exactly what dealer invoice is. Yes, it is
that easy. There are many websites out there that will give you invoice
cost on Jeeps. Do some research.

I don't blame you for not wanting the advertised specials. More often than
not they're stripped down base models or aged inventory, e.g. the puke green
color that nobody wants and the dealer has been sitting on for 10 months.
If the model you seek is the hot color that's in high demand, and you've got
to have it right now, step up your thinking regarding price. If you have
the luxury of waiting 8-10 weeks, ordering a Jeep to your specs will be the
best way to go.

Buying a car is not about head games and being taken advantage of. Be
informed, be smart and go in with a positive attitude. If you're being
jerked around, walk. Have fun.

Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O