some misc. links to get you started. many BMW related.
http://marine.dnsalias.com:8080/k1200rs.htm


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104hj9tik788deb@corp.supernews.com...
> I will, thanks.
>
> Is there a BMW bike group? I found the BMW car group.
>
> I also found a late model 1200R(?) for $8700. What do these bikes normally
> go for?
>
>
>
>
> "nds" <neil.scott@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:3LCdnSZN0Od7c9rd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> > I average 45+ on my BMW K1200, did a bit better on the K1100. Suggest
you
> > post to some of the bike news groups.
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but
I
> > need
> > > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> > >
> > > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
> BMW
> > to
> > > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
> not
> > > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled
on
> a
> > > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would
want
> a
> > > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would
be
> a
> > > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
> the
> > > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
> as
> > > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
> the
> > > crotch rockets.
> > >
> > > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
> Harley
> > > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
> 35+
> > > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> > differential
> > > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

some misc. links to get you started. many BMW related.
http://marine.dnsalias.com:8080/k1200rs.htm


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104hj9tik788deb@corp.supernews.com...
> I will, thanks.
>
> Is there a BMW bike group? I found the BMW car group.
>
> I also found a late model 1200R(?) for $8700. What do these bikes normally
> go for?
>
>
>
>
> "nds" <neil.scott@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:3LCdnSZN0Od7c9rd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> > I average 45+ on my BMW K1200, did a bit better on the K1100. Suggest
you
> > post to some of the bike news groups.
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but
I
> > need
> > > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> > >
> > > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
> BMW
> > to
> > > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
> not
> > > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled
on
> a
> > > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would
want
> a
> > > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would
be
> a
> > > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
> the
> > > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
> as
> > > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
> the
> > > crotch rockets.
> > >
> > > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
> Harley
> > > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
> 35+
> > > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> > differential
> > > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

some misc. links to get you started. many BMW related.
http://marine.dnsalias.com:8080/k1200rs.htm


"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:104hj9tik788deb@corp.supernews.com...
> I will, thanks.
>
> Is there a BMW bike group? I found the BMW car group.
>
> I also found a late model 1200R(?) for $8700. What do these bikes normally
> go for?
>
>
>
>
> "nds" <neil.scott@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:3LCdnSZN0Od7c9rd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> > I average 45+ on my BMW K1200, did a bit better on the K1100. Suggest
you
> > post to some of the bike news groups.
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but
I
> > need
> > > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> > >
> > > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
> BMW
> > to
> > > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
> not
> > > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled
on
> a
> > > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would
want
> a
> > > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would
be
> a
> > > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
> the
> > > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
> as
> > > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
> the
> > > crotch rockets.
> > >
> > > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
> Harley
> > > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
> 35+
> > > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> > differential
> > > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

It was illegal back in the sixties, and seventies when I was
riding, back in the days when we were supposed to ride only in the
center of the lane with the grease so as to be visible from a car's rear
view mirrors.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> No, it is not and never has been that I can recall. It used to annoy me as
> well, until I discovered that the bikes were not actually violating the
> rules. Now, when I am in standing traffic and in the #1 lane, I stay to the
> left, and when in the #2 lane, I stay right. The bikes seem to favor the
> space between the 1 & 2 lanes as the place to split.

 

It was illegal back in the sixties, and seventies when I was
riding, back in the days when we were supposed to ride only in the
center of the lane with the grease so as to be visible from a car's rear
view mirrors.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> No, it is not and never has been that I can recall. It used to annoy me as
> well, until I discovered that the bikes were not actually violating the
> rules. Now, when I am in standing traffic and in the #1 lane, I stay to the
> left, and when in the #2 lane, I stay right. The bikes seem to favor the
> space between the 1 & 2 lanes as the place to split.

 

It was illegal back in the sixties, and seventies when I was
riding, back in the days when we were supposed to ride only in the
center of the lane with the grease so as to be visible from a car's rear
view mirrors.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

CRWLR wrote:
>
> No, it is not and never has been that I can recall. It used to annoy me as
> well, until I discovered that the bikes were not actually violating the
> rules. Now, when I am in standing traffic and in the #1 lane, I stay to the
> left, and when in the #2 lane, I stay right. The bikes seem to favor the
> space between the 1 & 2 lanes as the place to split.

 

Don't call 'bull' unless you know more than you are guessing about what
I was driving....

Mike

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
> > When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> > have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> Bull. Would you jump out of a car to avoid a collision? Rubber has a better
> traction coefficient than steel. It's better to be decellerating (not
> skidding) up to the point of impact than to just give up and slide under.
> People who say "so then I Iayed her down" are covering for applying too much
> rear brake and lost control, or ride old choppers with no front brake. I
> have done both, and been in this discussion many times, with qualified
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation instructors and new riders. Check out the AMA
> site, http://www.ama-cycle.org/index.asp and follow the "new rider" links
>
> Anyway, back on topic, Old GL- 1000 Goldwings in proper tune can give up to
> 34-36 MPG, as does the GL-1500, My wing is modified and gets 30-32. My
> girlfriends 86 Honda Shadow 500 gives 50 with her on it, and I have 2
> friends who ride Harley "night trains" modified with moderate cams and carb
> work that also return 50 MPG, althought most are in the 30-40 MPG range.
> My BSA and Triumph give about 30 , but they are kinda old. I'm not sure
> what the new Wings do. Sport bikes aren't that efficient, and need frequent
> maintenance, and their stickier tires don't last as long.
> In California, a single rider on a bike is legal in a carpool lane, and can
> save on bridge tolls.
> Lane splitting is also legal here, but hazardous. I find they open up for a
> helmet that looks like a CHP, but most cagers are not paying attention. I
> use the 10 and 5 rule, I wont split unless they are under 10 MPH, and at no
> more than 5 MPH above their speed. Tagging a mirror will dump you, and i
> would prefer it to be minor.
> Ride because you want to, and accept the risk. Just because it may be
> cheaper doesn't make it sensible.
>
> My VW Jetta Diesel gets 50 MPG, better than my bikes, but I'd rather ride.
> The new VW diesel Beetles and Jettas with the TDI engines also get around
> 50, and can be tweaked for better mileage. If you want to get messy and have
> a tank farm behind your garage, you can make your own bio-diesel from free
> waste oil from restaurants. They have to pay to get it removed.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Don't call 'bull' unless you know more than you are guessing about what
I was driving....

Mike

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
> > When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> > have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> Bull. Would you jump out of a car to avoid a collision? Rubber has a better
> traction coefficient than steel. It's better to be decellerating (not
> skidding) up to the point of impact than to just give up and slide under.
> People who say "so then I Iayed her down" are covering for applying too much
> rear brake and lost control, or ride old choppers with no front brake. I
> have done both, and been in this discussion many times, with qualified
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation instructors and new riders. Check out the AMA
> site, http://www.ama-cycle.org/index.asp and follow the "new rider" links
>
> Anyway, back on topic, Old GL- 1000 Goldwings in proper tune can give up to
> 34-36 MPG, as does the GL-1500, My wing is modified and gets 30-32. My
> girlfriends 86 Honda Shadow 500 gives 50 with her on it, and I have 2
> friends who ride Harley "night trains" modified with moderate cams and carb
> work that also return 50 MPG, althought most are in the 30-40 MPG range.
> My BSA and Triumph give about 30 , but they are kinda old. I'm not sure
> what the new Wings do. Sport bikes aren't that efficient, and need frequent
> maintenance, and their stickier tires don't last as long.
> In California, a single rider on a bike is legal in a carpool lane, and can
> save on bridge tolls.
> Lane splitting is also legal here, but hazardous. I find they open up for a
> helmet that looks like a CHP, but most cagers are not paying attention. I
> use the 10 and 5 rule, I wont split unless they are under 10 MPH, and at no
> more than 5 MPH above their speed. Tagging a mirror will dump you, and i
> would prefer it to be minor.
> Ride because you want to, and accept the risk. Just because it may be
> cheaper doesn't make it sensible.
>
> My VW Jetta Diesel gets 50 MPG, better than my bikes, but I'd rather ride.
> The new VW diesel Beetles and Jettas with the TDI engines also get around
> 50, and can be tweaked for better mileage. If you want to get messy and have
> a tank farm behind your garage, you can make your own bio-diesel from free
> waste oil from restaurants. They have to pay to get it removed.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Don't call 'bull' unless you know more than you are guessing about what
I was driving....

Mike

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> > You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
> > When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> > have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> Bull. Would you jump out of a car to avoid a collision? Rubber has a better
> traction coefficient than steel. It's better to be decellerating (not
> skidding) up to the point of impact than to just give up and slide under.
> People who say "so then I Iayed her down" are covering for applying too much
> rear brake and lost control, or ride old choppers with no front brake. I
> have done both, and been in this discussion many times, with qualified
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation instructors and new riders. Check out the AMA
> site, http://www.ama-cycle.org/index.asp and follow the "new rider" links
>
> Anyway, back on topic, Old GL- 1000 Goldwings in proper tune can give up to
> 34-36 MPG, as does the GL-1500, My wing is modified and gets 30-32. My
> girlfriends 86 Honda Shadow 500 gives 50 with her on it, and I have 2
> friends who ride Harley "night trains" modified with moderate cams and carb
> work that also return 50 MPG, althought most are in the 30-40 MPG range.
> My BSA and Triumph give about 30 , but they are kinda old. I'm not sure
> what the new Wings do. Sport bikes aren't that efficient, and need frequent
> maintenance, and their stickier tires don't last as long.
> In California, a single rider on a bike is legal in a carpool lane, and can
> save on bridge tolls.
> Lane splitting is also legal here, but hazardous. I find they open up for a
> helmet that looks like a CHP, but most cagers are not paying attention. I
> use the 10 and 5 rule, I wont split unless they are under 10 MPH, and at no
> more than 5 MPH above their speed. Tagging a mirror will dump you, and i
> would prefer it to be minor.
> Ride because you want to, and accept the risk. Just because it may be
> cheaper doesn't make it sensible.
>
> My VW Jetta Diesel gets 50 MPG, better than my bikes, but I'd rather ride.
> The new VW diesel Beetles and Jettas with the TDI engines also get around
> 50, and can be tweaked for better mileage. If you want to get messy and have
> a tank farm behind your garage, you can make your own bio-diesel from free
> waste oil from restaurants. They have to pay to get it removed.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Now imagine that refrigerator moved, right out in front of you in
the lane you had chosen, then again.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

-jc wrote:
>

> That sounds like a different situation. You were riding along and something
> happened and you lost control ... at that moment, you controlled the
> inevitable crash.
>
> What I'm referring to is this ... I'm riding along and come upon a
> refrigerator in the middle of the road and I choose to "lay her down"
> instead of braking and maneuvering to avoid the accident or slow the speed
> of impact. It is always better to stay in control as long as you can ...
> your bike is likely much more capable than you think it is ... if you are
> already crashing then you can try and control the crash but you shouldn't
> choose to crash.
>
> If that doesn't make sense, see sig. ;-)
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.