Sorry, my BMW is the car, not the bike.




"KJ" <here@there.net> wrote in message
news:9iR1c.192812$jH.1903137@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
> 25 mpg on a Bimmer? there must be something wrong with it if it's a newer
> model.
>
> i've got the biggest gas guzzling Bimmer made, a K1200RS, and I still
manage
> 35 mpg. typically the boxers are managing between 45-55 mpg. check your
> numbers, or bike, before trying to make such an argument based on fuel
> economy!
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
> need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW
> to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
> >
>
>

 

Sorry, my BMW is the car, not the bike.




"KJ" <here@there.net> wrote in message
news:9iR1c.192812$jH.1903137@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
> 25 mpg on a Bimmer? there must be something wrong with it if it's a newer
> model.
>
> i've got the biggest gas guzzling Bimmer made, a K1200RS, and I still
manage
> 35 mpg. typically the boxers are managing between 45-55 mpg. check your
> numbers, or bike, before trying to make such an argument based on fuel
> economy!
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
> need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW
> to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
> >
>
>

 

Sorry, my BMW is the car, not the bike.




"KJ" <here@there.net> wrote in message
news:9iR1c.192812$jH.1903137@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
> 25 mpg on a Bimmer? there must be something wrong with it if it's a newer
> model.
>
> i've got the biggest gas guzzling Bimmer made, a K1200RS, and I still
manage
> 35 mpg. typically the boxers are managing between 45-55 mpg. check your
> numbers, or bike, before trying to make such an argument based on fuel
> economy!
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104fe5edfh17e5a@corp.supernews.com...
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
> need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW
> to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
> differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
> >
>
>

 

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:kRR1c.4025$vG7.1096@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> "It may be just me, but isn't this a question that is better suited for
> a motorcycle newsgroup, and not a bunch of gearhead offroaders?" ;)
>

Touche, with the ' thingie over the e. (that is French for "you got me",
BTW)

Yes, it is better suited for a biker group. I was hoping some of us
offraoding gearheads might also be poser Hells Angels. ;-)



> Seriously, I know you're not into the sportbikes, but I have a 2000
> Yamaha YZF600R and a classic 1981 Kawasaki GPz550. both of those get
> better than 40mpg. While these are midbores, the newer big bores should
too.
>
That's true, just because it is a sport bike doesn't change the mileage very
much as compared to a tourer or a cruiser. If I can buy half the gas I am
currently buying, then the fuel savings will justify the price of the bike,
assuming I don't go for a fully loaded, brand new 'Wing.




> Why don't you just show her this clip of a BMW commuting?
> ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos/Zero_to_130.mpg
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

 

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:kRR1c.4025$vG7.1096@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> "It may be just me, but isn't this a question that is better suited for
> a motorcycle newsgroup, and not a bunch of gearhead offroaders?" ;)
>

Touche, with the ' thingie over the e. (that is French for "you got me",
BTW)

Yes, it is better suited for a biker group. I was hoping some of us
offraoding gearheads might also be poser Hells Angels. ;-)



> Seriously, I know you're not into the sportbikes, but I have a 2000
> Yamaha YZF600R and a classic 1981 Kawasaki GPz550. both of those get
> better than 40mpg. While these are midbores, the newer big bores should
too.
>
That's true, just because it is a sport bike doesn't change the mileage very
much as compared to a tourer or a cruiser. If I can buy half the gas I am
currently buying, then the fuel savings will justify the price of the bike,
assuming I don't go for a fully loaded, brand new 'Wing.




> Why don't you just show her this clip of a BMW commuting?
> ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos/Zero_to_130.mpg
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

 

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:kRR1c.4025$vG7.1096@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> "It may be just me, but isn't this a question that is better suited for
> a motorcycle newsgroup, and not a bunch of gearhead offroaders?" ;)
>

Touche, with the ' thingie over the e. (that is French for "you got me",
BTW)

Yes, it is better suited for a biker group. I was hoping some of us
offraoding gearheads might also be poser Hells Angels. ;-)



> Seriously, I know you're not into the sportbikes, but I have a 2000
> Yamaha YZF600R and a classic 1981 Kawasaki GPz550. both of those get
> better than 40mpg. While these are midbores, the newer big bores should
too.
>
That's true, just because it is a sport bike doesn't change the mileage very
much as compared to a tourer or a cruiser. If I can buy half the gas I am
currently buying, then the fuel savings will justify the price of the bike,
assuming I don't go for a fully loaded, brand new 'Wing.




> Why don't you just show her this clip of a BMW commuting?
> ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos/Zero_to_130.mpg
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > My commute is such that I could do it in half the time on a bike, but I
need
> > more to get Mrs. CRWLR onboard. She is not liking the idea very much.
> >
> > I want to sell her on the idea that I will save enough on gas for the
BMW to
> > finance the payment on the bike. I am talking about a Real Bike here,
not
> > any sissy scooter. I have my eye on a big-bore, but have not settled on
a
> > particular make or model. I pretended for a long time that I would want
a
> > Goldwing or equivelent, but that plan supposes that Mrs. CRWLR would be
a
> > willing passenger. It seems that she won't even go into the garage if
the
> > bike is out there, let alone slide it between her knees. I have now
> > broadened my horizons to include the cruiser class (Harley and clones)
as
> > well as the touring class (Goldwing and clones). I have no interest in
the
> > crotch rockets.
> >
> > My off topic question is, what sort of mileage do you guys with the
Harley
> > type and the Goldwing type bikes get? I am hoping the number is in the
35+
> > mpg range, but my BMW delivers 25 mpg, so I need a pretty high
differential
> > in bike mileage vs. car mileage to make my sales pitch work.
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> Nope, it doesn't work that way at least for me, when I forced to
> lay her down it's because I've already lost control and going down all I
> can do is get on top of it to ride it out. The last time a full sized
> Chrysler wagon pulled out in front of me from a side road, then stopped,
> and I came out one lane of the four lane highway, where upon this
> f**kin' wagon came out one more lane and died, it was too, too, late for
> me do anything but prepare for a crash as my bike went down and I got on
> top of it. I then realized I was headed for the rear side glass about
> head high, so I timed it to jump as I hit to put my chest into the glass
> and to my amazement I jumped completely over the wagon and was running
> full speed away on the other side. Cleaned my shin as usual, but was OK.

That sounds like a different situation. You were riding along and something
happened and you lost control ... at that moment, you controlled the
inevitable crash.

What I'm referring to is this ... I'm riding along and come upon a
refrigerator in the middle of the road and I choose to "lay her down"
instead of braking and maneuvering to avoid the accident or slow the speed
of impact. It is always better to stay in control as long as you can ...
your bike is likely much more capable than you think it is ... if you are
already crashing then you can try and control the crash but you shouldn't
choose to crash.

If that doesn't make sense, see sig. ;-)

--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> Nope, it doesn't work that way at least for me, when I forced to
> lay her down it's because I've already lost control and going down all I
> can do is get on top of it to ride it out. The last time a full sized
> Chrysler wagon pulled out in front of me from a side road, then stopped,
> and I came out one lane of the four lane highway, where upon this
> f**kin' wagon came out one more lane and died, it was too, too, late for
> me do anything but prepare for a crash as my bike went down and I got on
> top of it. I then realized I was headed for the rear side glass about
> head high, so I timed it to jump as I hit to put my chest into the glass
> and to my amazement I jumped completely over the wagon and was running
> full speed away on the other side. Cleaned my shin as usual, but was OK.

That sounds like a different situation. You were riding along and something
happened and you lost control ... at that moment, you controlled the
inevitable crash.

What I'm referring to is this ... I'm riding along and come upon a
refrigerator in the middle of the road and I choose to "lay her down"
instead of braking and maneuvering to avoid the accident or slow the speed
of impact. It is always better to stay in control as long as you can ...
your bike is likely much more capable than you think it is ... if you are
already crashing then you can try and control the crash but you shouldn't
choose to crash.

If that doesn't make sense, see sig. ;-)

--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and
avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and
maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
>
> Nope, it doesn't work that way at least for me, when I forced to
> lay her down it's because I've already lost control and going down all I
> can do is get on top of it to ride it out. The last time a full sized
> Chrysler wagon pulled out in front of me from a side road, then stopped,
> and I came out one lane of the four lane highway, where upon this
> f**kin' wagon came out one more lane and died, it was too, too, late for
> me do anything but prepare for a crash as my bike went down and I got on
> top of it. I then realized I was headed for the rear side glass about
> head high, so I timed it to jump as I hit to put my chest into the glass
> and to my amazement I jumped completely over the wagon and was running
> full speed away on the other side. Cleaned my shin as usual, but was OK.

That sounds like a different situation. You were riding along and something
happened and you lost control ... at that moment, you controlled the
inevitable crash.

What I'm referring to is this ... I'm riding along and come upon a
refrigerator in the middle of the road and I choose to "lay her down"
instead of braking and maneuvering to avoid the accident or slow the speed
of impact. It is always better to stay in control as long as you can ...
your bike is likely much more capable than you think it is ... if you are
already crashing then you can try and control the crash but you shouldn't
choose to crash.

If that doesn't make sense, see sig. ;-)

--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > ... and I've been riding for 20+ years and have never died nor had
anyone
> > that I now first hand die from a motorcycle crash.
> >
> > Another data point.
> >
> Jeez, I know a bunch of them, they were Vietnam Vets, though, maybe
> they had a death wish.

Maybe I only know low risk people. I have known plenty that have crashed
but none that were seriously injured or died.


--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.