Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


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03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891