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Re: "Original Miles"
Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap.
The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's twaldron wrote: > > CRWLR wrote: > > > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > > news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com.. . > > > >>CRWLR wrote: > >> > >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > >>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodigy. com... > >>> > >>> > >>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I > >>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one > > > > should > > > >>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. > >> > >>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, > >>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. > >>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage > >>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If > >>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. > >> > >> > > > > > > I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure > > nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and > > well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 > > digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had > > spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to > > throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a > > unit that is that old. > > > > High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to > > get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. > > If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high > > because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in > > 15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you > > if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy > > you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the > > reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. > > > > The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that > > he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He > > also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have > > the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be > > known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of > > the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low > > mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given > > the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in > > another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP > > brought to the table. > > > > It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is > > usually a factor only when the age isn't there. > > > > > > Which would you buy? > > Exibit A: > > 1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all > service records. $5800. > > Exibit B: > > 1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all > service records. $5800. > > -- > __________________________________________________ _________ > tw > > 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" > 01 XJ Sport > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > -- Dave Barry > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > Function: noun > Date: 1940 > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > World War II. > > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: "Original Miles"
My '46 CJ-2A and '57 T-Bird didn't come with four speeds either,
yet both have them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: "Original Miles"
My '46 CJ-2A and '57 T-Bird didn't come with four speeds either,
yet both have them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: "Original Miles"
My '46 CJ-2A and '57 T-Bird didn't come with four speeds either,
yet both have them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: "Original Miles"
My '46 CJ-2A and '57 T-Bird didn't come with four speeds either,
yet both have them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: "Original Miles"
Really? My '85 did.
Mike Romain wrote: > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > twaldron wrote: > >>CRWLR wrote: >> >> >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m... >>> >>> >>>>CRWLR wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodig y.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I >>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one >>> >>>should >>> >>> >>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. >>>> >>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, >>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. >>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage >>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If >>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure >>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and >>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 >>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had >>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to >>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a >>>unit that is that old. >>> >>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to >>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. >>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high >>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in >>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you >>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy >>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the >>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. >>> >>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that >>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He >>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have >>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be >>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of >>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low >>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given >>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in >>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP >>>brought to the table. >>> >>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is >>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there. >>> >>> >> >>Which would you buy? >> >>Exibit A: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>Exibit B: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>-- >>________________________________________________ ___________ >>tw >> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" >>01 XJ Sport >> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>-- Dave Barry >> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>Function: noun >>Date: 1940 >> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>World War II. >> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>________________________________________________ ___________ -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: "Original Miles"
Really? My '85 did.
Mike Romain wrote: > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > twaldron wrote: > >>CRWLR wrote: >> >> >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m... >>> >>> >>>>CRWLR wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodig y.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I >>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one >>> >>>should >>> >>> >>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. >>>> >>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, >>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. >>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage >>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If >>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure >>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and >>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 >>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had >>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to >>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a >>>unit that is that old. >>> >>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to >>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. >>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high >>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in >>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you >>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy >>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the >>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. >>> >>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that >>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He >>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have >>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be >>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of >>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low >>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given >>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in >>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP >>>brought to the table. >>> >>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is >>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there. >>> >>> >> >>Which would you buy? >> >>Exibit A: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>Exibit B: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>-- >>________________________________________________ ___________ >>tw >> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" >>01 XJ Sport >> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>-- Dave Barry >> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>Function: noun >>Date: 1940 >> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>World War II. >> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>________________________________________________ ___________ -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: "Original Miles"
Really? My '85 did.
Mike Romain wrote: > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > twaldron wrote: > >>CRWLR wrote: >> >> >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m... >>> >>> >>>>CRWLR wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodig y.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I >>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one >>> >>>should >>> >>> >>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. >>>> >>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, >>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. >>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage >>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If >>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure >>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and >>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 >>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had >>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to >>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a >>>unit that is that old. >>> >>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to >>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. >>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high >>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in >>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you >>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy >>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the >>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. >>> >>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that >>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He >>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have >>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be >>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of >>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low >>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given >>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in >>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP >>>brought to the table. >>> >>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is >>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there. >>> >>> >> >>Which would you buy? >> >>Exibit A: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>Exibit B: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>-- >>________________________________________________ ___________ >>tw >> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" >>01 XJ Sport >> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>-- Dave Barry >> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>Function: noun >>Date: 1940 >> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>World War II. >> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>________________________________________________ ___________ -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: "Original Miles"
Really? My '85 did.
Mike Romain wrote: > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > ;-) > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > twaldron wrote: > >>CRWLR wrote: >> >> >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m... >>> >>> >>>>CRWLR wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodig y.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I >>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one >>> >>>should >>> >>> >>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. >>>> >>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, >>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. >>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage >>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If >>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure >>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and >>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 >>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had >>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to >>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a >>>unit that is that old. >>> >>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to >>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. >>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high >>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in >>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you >>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy >>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the >>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. >>> >>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that >>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He >>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have >>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be >>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of >>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low >>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given >>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in >>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP >>>brought to the table. >>> >>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is >>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there. >>> >>> >> >>Which would you buy? >> >>Exibit A: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>Exibit B: >> >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all >>service records. $5800. >> >>-- >>________________________________________________ ___________ >>tw >> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" >>01 XJ Sport >> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>-- Dave Barry >> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>Function: noun >>Date: 1940 >> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>World War II. >> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>________________________________________________ ___________ -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: "Original Miles"
Neat, but what does that have to do with anything?
Lots of Jeeps 'other' than 86 had 4 speeds, some even had 3 speeds.... Mike twaldron wrote: > > Really? My '85 did. > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap. > > > > The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86. > > > > ;-) > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > twaldron wrote: > > > >>CRWLR wrote: > >> > >> > >>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > >>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m... > >>> > >>> > >>>>CRWLR wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > >>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prodig y.com... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I > >>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one > >>> > >>>should > >>> > >>> > >>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old. > >>>> > >>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage, > >>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage. > >>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage > >>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If > >>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure > >>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and > >>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5 > >>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had > >>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to > >>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a > >>>unit that is that old. > >>> > >>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to > >>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery. > >>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high > >>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in > >>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you > >>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy > >>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the > >>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy. > >>> > >>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that > >>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He > >>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have > >>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be > >>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of > >>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low > >>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given > >>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in > >>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP > >>>brought to the table. > >>> > >>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is > >>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Which would you buy? > >> > >>Exibit A: > >> > >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all > >>service records. $5800. > >> > >>Exibit B: > >> > >>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all > >>service records. $5800. > >> > >>-- > >>________________________________________________ ___________ > >>tw > >> > >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" > >>01 XJ Sport > >> > >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > >>-- Dave Barry > >> > >>Pronunciation: 'jEp > >>Function: noun > >>Date: 1940 > >> > >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') > >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > >>World War II. > >> > >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > >>________________________________________________ ___________ > > -- > __________________________________________________ _________ > tw > > 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5" > 01 XJ Sport > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > -- Dave Barry > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > Function: noun > Date: 1940 > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > World War II. > > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > __________________________________________________ _________ |
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