"Original Miles"
 

Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
salt, but what are some resources people can use?

It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
report.
I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
about needing to be 81 or newer).

Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?

Nothing that I know of really.
The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
Discrepancy".
Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true or
not.
My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3 owners
before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine fell
apart and replaced and nobody would know.
You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
miles or not.
The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
drove it, etc.

> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).

No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?

Nothing that I know of really.
The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
Discrepancy".
Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true or
not.
My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3 owners
before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine fell
apart and replaced and nobody would know.
You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
miles or not.
The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
drove it, etc.

> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).

No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?

Nothing that I know of really.
The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
Discrepancy".
Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true or
not.
My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3 owners
before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine fell
apart and replaced and nobody would know.
You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
miles or not.
The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
drove it, etc.

> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).

No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?

Nothing that I know of really.
The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
Discrepancy".
Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true or
not.
My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3 owners
before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine fell
apart and replaced and nobody would know.
You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
miles or not.
The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
drove it, etc.

> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).

No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

A friend asked me about the miles on my CJ7, it has 170K or so.

I thought about it and said I know for 'sure' the speedometer has 170 on
it and I believe the Dana 44 and the Dana 30 have those miles on them,
though both are rebuilt, so that only counts for the cover and tubes.

Hey my Laredo chrome rims and front grill and stainless bumpers have
those miles.

Who knows about the rest. I don't....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

A friend asked me about the miles on my CJ7, it has 170K or so.

I thought about it and said I know for 'sure' the speedometer has 170 on
it and I believe the Dana 44 and the Dana 30 have those miles on them,
though both are rebuilt, so that only counts for the cover and tubes.

Hey my Laredo chrome rims and front grill and stainless bumpers have
those miles.

Who knows about the rest. I don't....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

A friend asked me about the miles on my CJ7, it has 170K or so.

I thought about it and said I know for 'sure' the speedometer has 170 on
it and I believe the Dana 44 and the Dana 30 have those miles on them,
though both are rebuilt, so that only counts for the cover and tubes.

Hey my Laredo chrome rims and front grill and stainless bumpers have
those miles.

Who knows about the rest. I don't....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

A friend asked me about the miles on my CJ7, it has 170K or so.

I thought about it and said I know for 'sure' the speedometer has 170 on
it and I believe the Dana 44 and the Dana 30 have those miles on them,
though both are rebuilt, so that only counts for the cover and tubes.

Hey my Laredo chrome rims and front grill and stainless bumpers have
those miles.

Who knows about the rest. I don't....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

....above and beyond original miles is the "one owner" statements. I
know there is the one benefit of the person actually knowing any and
all maintenance that has been done....but really I personally don't
add much value to a car because it has had "one owner".....you could
have two cars, both 10 years old. One has been beat to hell by the
same guy who figured iot was paid off at the 5 year mark and wasn't
gonna sink any more into it....just seeing how long he could get out
of it. And the otehr could have been owned by a series of caring
owners who faithfully maintained it. =-) I *will* do a thourough
evaluation of a vehicle before purchase, and decide value based wholly
on its own merits...I generally disregard everything the seller says
as suspect =-)

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

....above and beyond original miles is the "one owner" statements. I
know there is the one benefit of the person actually knowing any and
all maintenance that has been done....but really I personally don't
add much value to a car because it has had "one owner".....you could
have two cars, both 10 years old. One has been beat to hell by the
same guy who figured iot was paid off at the 5 year mark and wasn't
gonna sink any more into it....just seeing how long he could get out
of it. And the otehr could have been owned by a series of caring
owners who faithfully maintained it. =-) I *will* do a thourough
evaluation of a vehicle before purchase, and decide value based wholly
on its own merits...I generally disregard everything the seller says
as suspect =-)

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

....above and beyond original miles is the "one owner" statements. I
know there is the one benefit of the person actually knowing any and
all maintenance that has been done....but really I personally don't
add much value to a car because it has had "one owner".....you could
have two cars, both 10 years old. One has been beat to hell by the
same guy who figured iot was paid off at the 5 year mark and wasn't
gonna sink any more into it....just seeing how long he could get out
of it. And the otehr could have been owned by a series of caring
owners who faithfully maintained it. =-) I *will* do a thourough
evaluation of a vehicle before purchase, and decide value based wholly
on its own merits...I generally disregard everything the seller says
as suspect =-)

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

....above and beyond original miles is the "one owner" statements. I
know there is the one benefit of the person actually knowing any and
all maintenance that has been done....but really I personally don't
add much value to a car because it has had "one owner".....you could
have two cars, both 10 years old. One has been beat to hell by the
same guy who figured iot was paid off at the 5 year mark and wasn't
gonna sink any more into it....just seeing how long he could get out
of it. And the otehr could have been owned by a series of caring
owners who faithfully maintained it. =-) I *will* do a thourough
evaluation of a vehicle before purchase, and decide value based wholly
on its own merits...I generally disregard everything the seller says
as suspect =-)

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
you have no business buying it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
you have no business buying it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
you have no business buying it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
you have no business buying it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than 81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?

I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40AD0E2B.E49B7D28@cox.net...
> So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
> you have no business buying it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Kevin S." wrote:
> >
> > Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
seeing
> > vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> > obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a
grain of
> > salt, but what are some resources people can use?
> >
> > It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> > report.
> > I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> > Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> > about needing to be 81 or newer).
> >
> > Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> > check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> > expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?

I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40AD0E2B.E49B7D28@cox.net...
> So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
> you have no business buying it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Kevin S." wrote:
> >
> > Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
seeing
> > vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> > obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a
grain of
> > salt, but what are some resources people can use?
> >
> > It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> > report.
> > I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> > Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> > about needing to be 81 or newer).
> >
> > Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> > check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> > expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?

I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40AD0E2B.E49B7D28@cox.net...
> So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
> you have no business buying it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Kevin S." wrote:
> >
> > Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
seeing
> > vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> > obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a
grain of
> > salt, but what are some resources people can use?
> >
> > It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> > report.
> > I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> > Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> > about needing to be 81 or newer).
> >
> > Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> > check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> > expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?

I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:40AD0E2B.E49B7D28@cox.net...
> So what? If you can't determine the condition of the vehicle, than
> you have no business buying it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Kevin S." wrote:
> >
> > Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
seeing
> > vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> > obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a
grain of
> > salt, but what are some resources people can use?
> >
> > It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> > report.
> > I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> > Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> > about needing to be 81 or newer).
> >
> > Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> > check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> > expensive.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Then you would have enjoyed the television calibration of the life
of the Sixty Minutes producer the other night, as one of the reflections
of the TV magazine put a likable used car salesman away for ten years
for rolling back the odometers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
> look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
> mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
> alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?
>
> I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
> year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
> was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Then you would have enjoyed the television calibration of the life
of the Sixty Minutes producer the other night, as one of the reflections
of the TV magazine put a likable used car salesman away for ten years
for rolling back the odometers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
> look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
> mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
> alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?
>
> I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
> year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
> was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Then you would have enjoyed the television calibration of the life
of the Sixty Minutes producer the other night, as one of the reflections
of the TV magazine put a likable used car salesman away for ten years
for rolling back the odometers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
> look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
> mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
> alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?
>
> I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
> year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
> was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Then you would have enjoyed the television calibration of the life
of the Sixty Minutes producer the other night, as one of the reflections
of the TV magazine put a likable used car salesman away for ten years
for rolling back the odometers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Kevin S." wrote:
>
> I'm not really worried about me Bill. I do my homework and know things to
> look for. I guess it just bothers me when I see an obvious
> mis-representation. I feel bad when someone buys it, and believes it, let
> alone pays a little extra for it. I guess "a fool and his money" huh?
>
> I saw an ad for an "Original Renegade I with 50,000 original miles" last
> year at a car lot, and neither of those statements ended up being true. I
> was just mad that I wasted my afternoon to drive out to look at it.

Re: "Original Miles"
 

If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
rebuild.




"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.
>
>

Re: "Original Miles"
 

If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
rebuild.




"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.
>
>

Re: "Original Miles"
 

If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
rebuild.




"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.
>
>

Re: "Original Miles"
 

If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
rebuild.




"Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of seeing
> vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it is
> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
of
> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
> report.
> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
81?
> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> Any good free sources for this info? If I was buyign a vehicle I would
> check it, but $5 for any vehicle I want to look at can start getting
> expensive.
>
>

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


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01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: "Original Miles"
 

I don't agree with that, at all.

CRWLR wrote:

> If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a vehicle
> that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> rebuild.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:12:15 GMT, twaldron
<thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>I don't agree with that, at all.


....well I won't knock all of it....there is some wisdom in planning
for repairs on a vintage vehicle...unless it has been restored.
Rubber, for one, deteriorates which means replcement of all brake soft
lines and many seals. I concur, however, that his statement was a
little over teh top. A true garage kept rust free 1500 mile original
dent free vehicle is by far an easiier restoration project than a
swamp runner. =-)))

....Gareth

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: "Original Miles"
 

Jay Stuler (usenetjunk2004@yahoo.com) wrote on Thursday 20 May 2004 11:42
am:

>
> "Kevin S." <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kQ3rc.7$wE1.30232@news.uswest.net...
>> Ok, the eBay CJ made me think about this some more. I'm so sick of
>> seeing vehicles for sale on the internet claiming original miles, when it
>> is
>> obvious it's false. I personally always take that statement with a grain
> of
>> salt, but what are some resources people can use?
>
> Nothing that I know of really.
> The only real sort of "proof" is if the Registration doesn't say "Odometer
> Discrepancy".
> Of course almost any car that old is going to whether the miles are true
> or not.
> My '76 CJ-7 is supposedly "original miles" also but it had at least 3
> owners
> before me and who knows how many owners before that. There is no way to
> know how many miles a 28+ year old car has that way.
> It could have been driven 30,000 miles in the first year and the engine
> fell apart and replaced and nobody would know.
> You just have to ask yourself if the car LOOKS like it could be original
> miles or not.
> The mileage is just a number, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. A lot
> of cars are junk at 30,000 miles and a lot of cars can be fabulous at
> 100,000. It all depends on who drove it, how they drive it, where they
> drove it, etc.
>
>> It looks like you can click on the VIN and for $5 eBay will get you a
>> report.
>> I'm assuming CarFax.com is a good source. Do they do cars earlier than
> 81?
>> Their exmaple report didn't like the 71 VIN I put in (and made a comment
>> about needing to be 81 or newer).
>
> No, they won't take VIN Numbers that old.

Also, given that it takes about 20 minutes for an inexperienced person to
remove, turn back the odometer, and re-install a CJ speedometer cluster, I
wouldn't put much stock in any number I see there. I just see it as a
reminder to change my oil...
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891