twaldron

Um...that maybe they _were_ available...?

Mike Romain wrote:

> Neat, but what does that have to do with anything?
>
> Lots of Jeeps 'other' than 86 had 4 speeds, some even had 3 speeds....
>
> Mike
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>Really? My '85 did.
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Neither, both jerks selling are full of crap.
>>>
>>>The CJ7 didn't come with a 4 speed in 86.
>>>
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>>twaldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>CRWLR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Imusc.278$Xt2.62@newssvr24.news.prodigy. com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>CRWLR wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:ahyrc.1363$W_1.331@newssvr22.news.prod igy.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Right. I'll agree with that. You just made a broad stroke comment that I
>>>>>>>>didn't agree with. Age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right, age _can_ be a factor regardless of mileage. That is why one
>>>>>
>>>>>should
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>not be concerned with the indicated mileage on a vehicle that old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess that's where we differ a little. I look for clean, low mileage,
>>>>>>low owner, used vehicles and am always concerned with verifying mileage.
>>>>>>In my opinion, it's better to find one like that, than its high mileage
>>>>>>counterpart. This is all hinged upon being able to verify mileage. If
>>>>>>something doesn't smell right, I walk away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I spent three weeks looking for my Jeep. I found several that were pure
>>>>>nightmares. "Ugly" would be too kind. When I found my CJ5, it was clean and
>>>>>well cared for, the mileage was not important because there are only 5
>>>>>digits, and it is impossible to know how many times the left-most one had
>>>>>spun around. The Jeep passed all of the inspections I could dream up to
>>>>>throw at it, the mileage was not important, and should not be important on a
>>>>>unit that is that old.
>>>>>
>>>>>High mileage is relative, and the most relative part is the time it took to
>>>>>get high. If the mileage is high, and the unit is young, then be very leery.
>>>>>If the unit is old, then it is reasonable to expect the mileage to be high
>>>>>because miles are a function of age. A hundred and fifty thousand miles in
>>>>>15 years is only 10,000 per year. The odometer might not be able to tell you
>>>>>if that 50,000 that is displayed is really 150,000 or 250,000. And the guy
>>>>>you are buying from is the second or third or fourth owner, then the
>>>>>reliability of the display becomes less and less trustworthy.
>>>>>
>>>>>The guy that started this thread came in with something to the effect that
>>>>>he was annoyed with the term "actual miles" or "low miles" or whatever. He
>>>>>also indicated that the object of his affection was one that might only have
>>>>>the 5-digit odometer. I still maintain that the actual miles might not be
>>>>>known, and are not really all that important. There are many indicators of
>>>>>the vehicle having been abused, and it can have been abused with low
>>>>>mileage, and been treated with tender loving care with high mileage. Given
>>>>>the context of the statement, the mileage is not important. Perhaps in
>>>>>another context, the mielage would be important, but not in the one the OP
>>>>>brought to the table.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is true that age can be a factor regardless of mileage, but mileage is
>>>>>usually a factor only when the age isn't there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which would you buy?
>>>>
>>>>Exibit A:
>>>>
>>>>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, 258k miles (not sure, odo broke in 1992), garaged, all
>>>>service records. $5800.
>>>>
>>>>Exibit B:
>>>>
>>>>1986 CJ7, 4 spd, one owner, 26k verifiable miles, garaged since new, all
>>>>service records. $5800.
>>>>
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>>>>tw
>>>>
>>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>>>01 XJ Sport
>>>>
>>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>>>-- Dave Barry
>>>>
>>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>>>Function: noun
>>>>Date: 1940
>>>>
>>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>>>World War II.
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>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
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03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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