"Original Miles"
05-21-2004, 10:50 AM
#51
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Re: "Original Miles"
Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle wear.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...477974142&rd=1
Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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05-21-2004, 10:50 AM
#52
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Re: "Original Miles"
Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle wear.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...477974142&rd=1
Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...477974142&rd=1
Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
05-21-2004, 10:50 AM
#53
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Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle wear.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...477974142&rd=1
Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...477974142&rd=1
Kevin S. wrote:
>>Obviously false?
>
>
> I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas peadal
> is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20 years,
> gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things like
> that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
>
> I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's Jeeps.
> But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
>
>
>>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can* fall
>>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old car
>>is plausible.
>>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it, she's
>>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over 200,000
>>Kms on it.
>>
>><Reminiscing>
>>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a mint,
>>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless. Every
>>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
>>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
>
> than
>
>>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
>>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
>>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
>
> been
>
>>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
>
> and
>
>>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
>
> flirting
>
>>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
05-21-2004, 06:33 PM
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
This is what an ORIGINAL Miles vehicle should look like.
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:33 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
This is what an ORIGINAL Miles vehicle should look like.
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:33 PM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
This is what an ORIGINAL Miles vehicle should look like.
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:33 PM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
This is what an ORIGINAL Miles vehicle should look like.
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
http://www.wagonmaster.com/994/994gw.htm
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PGorc.1191$3%1.1158@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> Here is an example of pure BS as far as mileage goes. Note the vehicle
wear.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ory=31830&item
=2477974142&rd=1
>
> Kevin S. wrote:
>
> >>Obviously false?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't saying the ebay CJ was obviously false. I'm talking about when
> > someone claims low original mileage, and the floor mat under the gas
peadal
> > is worn through, the seats look like a 300 lb man sat in them for 20
years,
> > gas pedal has no "grip" on it, or the steering wheel worn down. Things
like
> > that. I wasn't making a statement about the eBay CJ. Although a recent
> > "full restore" with low original miles makes me wonder ;-)
> >
> > I have seen some great original unrestored low mileage 60's and 70's
Jeeps.
> > But most that claim low mileage don't meet my BS test.
> >
> >
> >>You have to take into consideration the type of vehicle. Jeeps *can*
fall
> >>into that "novelty vehicle" class where low mileage for a 20+ year old
car
> >>is plausible.
> >>My neighbour across the street has an '87 YJ with 40,000 Kms on it,
she's
> >>the original owner. The neighbour beside me has a '98 GC with over
200,000
> >>Kms on it.
> >>
> >><Reminiscing>
> >>I met an old lady (70+) in a coffee shop about 15 yrs ago driving a
mint,
> >>all original '67 Chevelle - black 2 door, red interior... spotless.
Every
> >>time she drove the car she would get offers on it, some lo-*****, some
> >>high-end offers. She knew EXACTLY what she had... a mint '67 with less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>10,000 miles (at the time). Her husband bought it new and died shortly
> >>after - she drove it once a week to visit his grave.
> >>I spoke with her for about 20 minutes while looking at the car. It had
> >
> > been
> >
> >>dealer serviced since new, she's kept every document related to the car
> >
> > and
> >
> >>it even had the original spare and jack in the trunk. I considered
> >
> > flirting
> >
> >>with her, I was 20 at the time. I wonder if she's still single? ;-)
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:45 PM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
One may not need to do an rebuild, but one would be wise to take the
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:jXarc.774$3%1.351@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:jXarc.774$3%1.351@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:45 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
One may not need to do an rebuild, but one would be wise to take the
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:jXarc.774$3%1.351@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:jXarc.774$3%1.351@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
05-21-2004, 06:45 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: "Original Miles"
One may not need to do an rebuild, but one would be wise to take the
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:jXarc.774$3%1.351@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com. ..
> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
eventual need into account. My '81 that I bought in '98 and had 70k on the
odometer (that only has 5 digits) now has just over 100k (maybe 200k, or
300k - it's impossible to tell) is getting ready for a rebuild.
I will be doing my rebuild on my Jeep when the time comes, but I have
several other cars to choose from so I can afford to take my time. I will
not do the rebuild on my BMW because I need the car back on the road sooner
than I can get it there myself.
The mileage becomes less and less a reliable indicator of condition with the
passage of time. Even a car that has very low miles can have serious
problems that are rooted in the fact the car has been parked for so long.
And a car with many miles in not necessarily ready for the scrap pile just
because it is old. There are just too many factors to consider to point to
the mileage and say, "well, that one sucks or that one is good." That's all
I was saying.
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
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> I don't agree with that, at all.
>
> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > If you are buying anything more than 10 years old, you should not give a
> > crap about the mileage anyway. You should go into any purchase of a
vehicle
> > that old with the notion that you will need to be doing repairs or a
> > rebuild.
>
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> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
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> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
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