Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

> >I'm thinking of having them put a 1 1/4" trailer hitch.
>
> 2" is better, and shop that around, a hitch place will probably install it for
> less than the dealer. You will lose some departure angle, as it hangs below th
> ebumper. I have a Draw Tite I might be willing to let go....used but not
> abused, make an offer....

I also have a 2" reciever that I'd be willing to let go. (Sorry, Matt,
not trying to start a competition here ;-) ). I'm lazy, though, so
unless you can come get it (Littleton/Denver, CO area), fuhgetaboutit.
It has a minor bit of surface rust/peeling paint, but is structurally
in great shape. Just needs to be repainted and installed. Mine's off a
1997 TJ; I am assuming nothing has changed in the bolt hole patterns
in the 2004 TJ frames that would preclude your being able to use it on
your Jeep. If you want it, email me.


> >What do you think about the price and the options (esp the ones I didn't
> >opt. for).
> >
>
> One last thing...The bugs in the new 4-sp auto may not be worked out yet, you
> might consider the 5-speed.

A friend has the new 4-sp auto in his Rubicon. Granted, he has only
had it since May, but he has already thashed his Rubi pretty well on
the trail (not in the bad way, just meaning he's put it to good use)
and the tranny has so far held up just fine. And the extra crawling
ability the tranny affords is awesome.

/Bob

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

> >I'm thinking of having them put a 1 1/4" trailer hitch.
>
> 2" is better, and shop that around, a hitch place will probably install it for
> less than the dealer. You will lose some departure angle, as it hangs below th
> ebumper. I have a Draw Tite I might be willing to let go....used but not
> abused, make an offer....

I also have a 2" reciever that I'd be willing to let go. (Sorry, Matt,
not trying to start a competition here ;-) ). I'm lazy, though, so
unless you can come get it (Littleton/Denver, CO area), fuhgetaboutit.
It has a minor bit of surface rust/peeling paint, but is structurally
in great shape. Just needs to be repainted and installed. Mine's off a
1997 TJ; I am assuming nothing has changed in the bolt hole patterns
in the 2004 TJ frames that would preclude your being able to use it on
your Jeep. If you want it, email me.


> >What do you think about the price and the options (esp the ones I didn't
> >opt. for).
> >
>
> One last thing...The bugs in the new 4-sp auto may not be worked out yet, you
> might consider the 5-speed.

A friend has the new 4-sp auto in his Rubicon. Granted, he has only
had it since May, but he has already thashed his Rubi pretty well on
the trail (not in the bad way, just meaning he's put it to good use)
and the tranny has so far held up just fine. And the extra crawling
ability the tranny affords is awesome.

/Bob

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

> >I'm thinking of having them put a 1 1/4" trailer hitch.
>
> 2" is better, and shop that around, a hitch place will probably install it for
> less than the dealer. You will lose some departure angle, as it hangs below th
> ebumper. I have a Draw Tite I might be willing to let go....used but not
> abused, make an offer....

I also have a 2" reciever that I'd be willing to let go. (Sorry, Matt,
not trying to start a competition here ;-) ). I'm lazy, though, so
unless you can come get it (Littleton/Denver, CO area), fuhgetaboutit.
It has a minor bit of surface rust/peeling paint, but is structurally
in great shape. Just needs to be repainted and installed. Mine's off a
1997 TJ; I am assuming nothing has changed in the bolt hole patterns
in the 2004 TJ frames that would preclude your being able to use it on
your Jeep. If you want it, email me.


> >What do you think about the price and the options (esp the ones I didn't
> >opt. for).
> >
>
> One last thing...The bugs in the new 4-sp auto may not be worked out yet, you
> might consider the 5-speed.

A friend has the new 4-sp auto in his Rubicon. Granted, he has only
had it since May, but he has already thashed his Rubi pretty well on
the trail (not in the bad way, just meaning he's put it to good use)
and the tranny has so far held up just fine. And the extra crawling
ability the tranny affords is awesome.

/Bob

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:

>The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
>wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
>I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
>result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
>although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
>the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
>8^)

Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise you
are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more expensive
than the cost of the option.

Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine first,
now 33" General Grabbers.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:

>The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
>wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
>I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
>result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
>although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
>the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
>8^)

Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise you
are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more expensive
than the cost of the option.

Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine first,
now 33" General Grabbers.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:

>The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
>wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
>I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
>result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
>although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
>the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
>8^)

Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise you
are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more expensive
than the cost of the option.

Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine first,
now 33" General Grabbers.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.

They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a different
cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're chunky and are
aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).

According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
confirm?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...rangler+MT%2FR

How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my XJ was
a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The stock
wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031204175911.28496.00002483@mb-m18.aol.com...
> In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
> <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>
> >The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
> >wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
> >I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
> >result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
> >although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
> >the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
> >8^)
>
> Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise
you
> are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more
expensive
> than the cost of the option.
>
> Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine
first,
> now 33" General Grabbers.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.

They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a different
cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're chunky and are
aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).

According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
confirm?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...rangler+MT%2FR

How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my XJ was
a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The stock
wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031204175911.28496.00002483@mb-m18.aol.com...
> In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
> <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>
> >The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
> >wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
> >I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
> >result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
> >although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
> >the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
> >8^)
>
> Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise
you
> are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more
expensive
> than the cost of the option.
>
> Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine
first,
> now 33" General Grabbers.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.

They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a different
cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're chunky and are
aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).

According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
confirm?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...rangler+MT%2FR

How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my XJ was
a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The stock
wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031204175911.28496.00002483@mb-m18.aol.com...
> In article <20031203204317756-0900@news.newsguy.com>, Del Rawlins
> <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> writes:
>
> >The stock 30" tires suck anyway. Just make sure you get at least the 7"
> >wide steel rims. I put a set of 30" wrangler MT/Rs on my TJ as soon as
> >I got it home, then sold the stockers to recoup some of the cost. The
> >result was great traction at LESS than the cost of the factory option,
> >although this was only possible since I got dealer price on my tires at
> >the time, otherwise it would have been the same cost for better traction.
> >8^)
>
> Part of the cost of the 30" tire/wheel group is the 3.73 ratio. Otherwise
you
> are stuck with the 3.07 ratio, and to change it later would be more
expensive
> than the cost of the option.
>
> Agreed...the Goodyear GetStuckAnywhere (GSA) do suck. 31" MTR's on mine
first,
> now 33" General Grabbers.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Re: Ordering a 04TJ this weekend - opinions please!
 

On 05 Dec 2003 08:02 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.
>
> They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a
> different cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're
> chunky and are aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).
>
> According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
> confirm?

IIRC, they will fit but might rub offroad without modification, which
can range anywhere from additional washers under the steering stops (
limiting turn radius) to a simple coil spring spacer lift.

> How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my
> XJ was a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The
> stock wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.

I've never used BFGATs but a buddy of mine has a set and likes them a
lot. I'm a bit of a Goodyear snob having formerly been a dealer but I
will say that the RT/S is a piece of garbage. I never stocked them,
although I would occasionally order one as a replacement for somebody
who ruined one out of their set. In my opinion, it was designed as a
cheaper tire they could sell to the OEMs, and they certainly didn't hold
up worth a damn in rural Alaskan conditions. The RT/S actually hurt our
business because it was more difficult to sell a customer a set of the
higher end Goodyear tires with the lousy experience with their OEM
wrangler RT/S, Wranger AP, or whatever fresh in their mind.

I may catch some flak here for saying this, but I believe the GY
Wrangler AT is the best "all around" light truck tire ever made, and it
was really annoying when it was discontinued, it being our best selling
tire at the time. It rode well, was quiet on the highway, did
acceptably well for mild offroading, gave decent winter traction and in
the heavier ply ratings, was damn near invulnerable to ordinary road
hazards. I have personally seen several cases where the carcass stopped
nails from penetrating. The nail would go in until it hit the steel
belts and stop right there, while the rest would be a mangled mess.
About the only thing that would kill them short of normal wear, was
sharp rocks at high speed and underinflation.

Now a lot of readers here will poo-poo the Wrangler AT for its mediocre
performance in serious offroad use, but the fact remains that it wasn't
designed for serious offroaders and we are at best, a fringe group. 8^)
Which is why they designed the MT/R...

I don't have the operational experience with the MT/R that I do with
some of the other Goodyear tires since I got out of the tire business
shortly after buying my set, and only sold one or two other sets. But
based on 28,000 miles of experience with them in some pretty nasty
conditions I would put them up against anything on the market. What is
most amazing to me, is that for as well as they do offroad, how well
they perform on the road too. There is a little bit of a hum but that
is it as far as noise goes.

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