Old Jeep drivers beware!
05-18-2006, 04:35 PM
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster than
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
05-18-2006, 05:53 PM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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05-18-2006, 05:53 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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05-18-2006, 05:53 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
be dug out by hand.
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
than
> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
> Coasty
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> >> how
> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
> >> Toyota/Lexus
> >> and VW/Audi?
> >>
> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
> >> vehicle
> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
> >> hot
> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
gel
> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
> >>
> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
Daryl
> >> and
> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
> >>
> >> Earle
> >>
> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >> >
> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
> >> > have
> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
> >> > from
> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> >> majority
> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
> >> > do
> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
of
> >> many
> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
> >> > this
> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
> >> > any
> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
the
> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
> >> > people
> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
> >> > located.
> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
> >> > in
> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
> >> > pass
> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> >> college.
> >> >
> >> > Coasty
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >> > >
> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
cost
> >> > > me
> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
> >> > > dealer
> >> in
> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
> >> > > water
> >> > > pump,
> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
> >> > > spend
> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >> > >
> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
> >> > > appeared
> >> > > to
> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
> >> > > out
> >> > > the
> >> > > reason.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> >> pickup.
> >> > > He
> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
> >> > >> > favorite
> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> >> > > compatibility
> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
> >> > >> > design.
> >> > > The
> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
expense.
> >> The
> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
> >> > >> > like
> >> > > this.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
than
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
> >> > >> > the
> >> car
> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
> >> > >> > reps.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
>
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05-18-2006, 05:58 PM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
I think we all do, except for Corvette, Porscha, and Harley, that
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-18-2006, 05:58 PM
#36
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
I think we all do, except for Corvette, Porscha, and Harley, that
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-18-2006, 05:58 PM
#37
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
I think we all do, except for Corvette, Porscha, and Harley, that
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
use rollers:
http://www.timgilles.com/photogaller...lerlifters.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
05-18-2006, 06:01 PM
#38
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Yes good point, I have seen an oil pump screen clog up and the next thing
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
05-18-2006, 06:01 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Yes good point, I have seen an oil pump screen clog up and the next thing
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Yes good point, I have seen an oil pump screen clog up and the next thing
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
the engine was naturally aspirated from the oil pan.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446cde68$0$24279$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> It is advisable to learn what you are up against first. Take off a valve
> cover, and if it is packed solid with sludge (I have seen this) then maybe
> you don't want to try flushing it with a solvent. That's because, when it
> loosens up, it is going to circulate all over before you drain it. For
> light sludge deposits, solvents are fine, but the really heavy ones should
> be dug out by hand.
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:w8qdnYJlP7PnR_HZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster
> than
>> a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
>> Coasty
>>
>> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
>> > You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
>> > man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
>> > fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
>> > any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
>> > idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
>> > glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
>> > ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> >> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan?
>> >> And
>> >> how
>> >> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> >> Toyota/Lexus
>> >> and VW/Audi?
>> >>
>> >> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> >> vehicle
>> >> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> >> hot
>> >> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil
> gel
>> >> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>> >>
>> >> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother
> Daryl
>> >> and
>> >> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>> >>
>> >> Earle
>> >>
>> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> >> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> >> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >> >
>> >> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the
>> >> > Manufacturers
>> >> > have
>> >> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> >> > from
>> >> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the
>> >> > oil
>> >> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage
>> >> > formula.
>> >> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> >> majority
>> >> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do
>> >> > not
>> >> > do
>> >> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude
> of
>> >> many
>> >> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I
>> >> > see
>> >> > this
>> >> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few
>> >> > do
>> >> > any
>> >> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but,
> the
>> >> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> >> > people
>> >> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> >> > located.
>> >> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance
>> >> > I
>> >> > in
>> >> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do
>> >> > not
>> >> > pass
>> >> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> >> college.
>> >> >
>> >> > Coasty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> >> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it
> cost
>> >> > > me
>> >> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> >> > > dealer
>> >> in
>> >> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > pump,
>> >> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> >> > > appeared
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I
>> >> > > found
>> >> > > out
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > reason.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> >> pickup.
>> >> > > He
>> >> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > >> > favorite
>> >> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> >> > > compatibility
>> >> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > >> > design.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus'
> expense.
>> >> The
>> >> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of
>> >> > >> > cases
>> >> > >> > like
>> >> > > this.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef
> than
>> >> > >> > a
>> >> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> car
>> >> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> >> > >> > reps.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Earle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Will Honea
>>
>>
>
>
>
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