Old Jeep drivers beware!
05-18-2006, 12:42 PM
#21
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
05-18-2006, 12:42 PM
#22
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
05-18-2006, 01:38 PM
#23
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
05-18-2006, 01:38 PM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
05-18-2006, 01:38 PM
#25
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
> The story has been going around in Studebaker circles for quite a while
> that modern oils wern't good for old engines with flat top lifters, and
> now Hot Rod magazine has a story about it.
>
> Bob Palma with the SDC put it like this...
>
> The June 2006 Hot Rod magazine has an excellent technical article on
> why flat-top lifters and their attendant camshafts are failing at a
> dramatically-increasing rate of late. It's worth a read if you have the
> time.
>
> One (but not the only) reason cited was people using current S-rated
> motor oil designed for new-car engines, none of which (they say) have
> the flat-top lifters and camshafts that were the industry standard for
> a hundred years, and are in our Studebakers.
>
> Hot Rod's research points out that current S-rated oils do not have
> enough zinc and phosphorus compounds to properly lubricate flat-top
> lifters and cams. They recommend diesel-rated oils, using Shell
> Rotella-T as an example.
>
> Chemical analysis is given for the requirements of current S-rated oil
> versus C-rated oil (C = Compression Ignition, i.e; Diesels). The
> analysis indicates C-rated oils have between 50 and 60 percent more
> zinc/phosphorus compounds than do new-car S-rated oils.
>
> Shell Rotella-T, of course, isn't the only appropriate oil meeting
> those standards. Chevron Delo-400 is another such oil, as is Castrol
> Tection Extra. Incidentally, Castrol Tection Extra is on sale at Auto
> Zone for $2 off a gallon jug through May. It's regularly $8.79 a gallon
> here in Central Indiana, but the register rings you up at $6.79 through
> May: Limit two gallons per customer per day.
05-18-2006, 01:59 PM
#26
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Only if it's a Marine Jeep and it's stuck in the mud.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
05-18-2006, 01:59 PM
#27
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Only if it's a Marine Jeep and it's stuck in the mud.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
05-18-2006, 01:59 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Only if it's a Marine Jeep and it's stuck in the mud.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Mike Romain wrote:
> Do any Jeep engines use flat top lifters?
05-18-2006, 04:35 PM
#29
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Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster than
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
05-18-2006, 04:35 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Marvel Mystery Oil comes to mind that stuff will clean an engine faster than
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
a whippoorwills butt in choke cherry season.
Coasty
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-hL4vBpMB0UnJ@anon.none.net...
> You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
> man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
> fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
> any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
> idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
> glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
> ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
> <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
>> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
>> how
>> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC,
>> Toyota/Lexus
>> and VW/Audi?
>>
>> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the
>> vehicle
>> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and
>> hot
>> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
>> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>>
>> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
>> and
>> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
>> >
>> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> > have
>> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure
>> > from
>> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
>> majority
>> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not
>> > do
>> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
>> many
>> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> > this
>> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do
>> > any
>> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> > people
>> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is
>> > located.
>> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I
>> > in
>> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> > pass
>> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
>> college.
>> >
>> > Coasty
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> > >
>> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost
>> > > me
>> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the
>> > > dealer
>> in
>> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs,
>> > > water
>> > > pump,
>> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > > spend
>> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> > >
>> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > > appeared
>> > > to
>> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found
>> > > out
>> > > the
>> > > reason.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> > >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
>> pickup.
>> > > He
>> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> > >> > favorite
>> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > > compatibility
>> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> > >> > design.
>> > > The
>> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
>> The
>> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> > >> > like
>> > > this.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up,
>> > >> > the
>> car
>> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer
>> > >> > reps.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Earle
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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>
> --
> Will Honea