Old Jeep drivers beware!
05-18-2006, 06:15 AM
#11
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Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Coasty's Sludge Theory
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
05-18-2006, 06:15 AM
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Coasty's Sludge Theory
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
05-18-2006, 06:15 AM
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
Coasty's Sludge Theory
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the majority
of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of many
people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the college.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>
> "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer in
> Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> pump,
> oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>
> I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> to
> have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> the
> reason.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil pickup.
> He
>> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
>> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> compatibility
>> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> The
>> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense. The
>> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> this.
>> >
>> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the car
>> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >
>> > Earle
>
>
05-18-2006, 10:28 AM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
05-18-2006, 10:28 AM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
05-18-2006, 10:28 AM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
and VW/Audi?
I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
(Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
buildup. Many people don't do this.
A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
Earle
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>
> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
majority
> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
many
> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
college.
>
> Coasty
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> >
> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
in
> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > pump,
> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> >
> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > to
> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > the
> > reason.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
pickup.
> > He
> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > compatibility
> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > The
> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
The
> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > this.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
car
> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >
> >
>
>
05-18-2006, 12:15 PM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
30 years ago there was allot of impurities in the oil causing sludge. Almost
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
05-18-2006, 12:15 PM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
30 years ago there was allot of impurities in the oil causing sludge. Almost
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
05-18-2006, 12:15 PM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
30 years ago there was allot of impurities in the oil causing sludge. Almost
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
all of the oils contained large amounts of paraffin which caused the
majority of sludge. Yes, changing the oil when hot will greatly reduce
sludge in the engine too.
In recent issues with sludge it is a combination of several elements, owners
not checking the condition of their oil, and changing it on time, the other
is the manufacturers are to blame for a couple of things like EGR systems
and the engines them selves in ring or seal blow by.
If you use the falling ball method viscotiy gauge to check oil viscosity you
can tell when it is getting dirty and when to change it. This is the only
true method and is 100% accurate.
Coasty
"Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:446c8369$0$23759$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And
> how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl
> and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>> Coasty's Sludge Theory
>>
>> Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers
>> have
>> increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
>> the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
>> technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
>> Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
>> of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
>> proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
>> people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see
>> this
>> all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
>> maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
>> women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many
>> people
>> do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
>> Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
>> turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not
>> pass
>> on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
>> >
>> > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
>> > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
>> > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
>> > pump,
>> > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one
>> > spend
>> > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
>> >
>> > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which
>> > appeared
>> > to
>> > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
>> > the
>> > reason.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
>> >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
>> >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
>> >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/
>> >> http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
>> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >>
>> >> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
>> > He
>> >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His
>> >> > favorite
>> >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
>> > compatibility
>> >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine
>> >> > design.
>> > The
>> >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
>> >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases
>> >> > like
>> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
>> >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
>> >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Earle
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
05-18-2006, 12:42 PM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Old Jeep drivers beware!
You certainly see the picture. The practices I learned from my old
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
man and passed on to my offspring included that of changing every
fluid in a "new" used vehicle as soon as I got it home. If there was
any doubt at all, that included a quart of kerosene in the engine,
idle for 10 minutes, then drain while hot. Amazing how much gunk
glopped out of the pan - and I started that practice nearly 50 years
ago - back when spin-on oil filters were nowhere to be seen.
On Thu, 18 May 2006 14:28:42 UTC "Earle Horton"
<Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote:
> How is this different from thirty years ago, when my second hand 1964
> Plymouth Valiant came to me with a good inch of sludge in the pan? And how
> come this batch of complaints only seems to involve Saab, DC, Toyota/Lexus
> and VW/Audi?
>
> I tend to use a longer oil change interval myself, but I drive the vehicle
> fifty miles once I fire it up, and I drain the oil when it is good and hot
> (Ouch!) As I understand it, these conditions minimize sludge or oil gel
> buildup. Many people don't do this.
>
> A "dipstick" is like Earl and his brother Randy, Larry his brother Daryl and
> his other brother Daryl, or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, right? ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:L6-dnSYx1KrH1PHZRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> > Coasty's Sludge Theory
> >
> > Sludge only became a problem when as Bill has shown the Manufacturers have
> > increased their oil change intervals and as I may add under pressure from
> > the Federal Government (Green Weenies). The other problem is the oil
> > technology just recently caught up Mobile 1 extended mileage formula.
> > Manufacturers are very fuzzy in their oil change intervals and the
> majority
> > of consumers do not keep proper records of work done and often do not do
> > proper maintenance. An example of this is the turn and go attitude of
> many
> > people, no checks, on oil changes, no maintenance of any kind. I see this
> > all the time I work at a college and out of 2000 students very few do any
> > maintenance on their vehicle and not to pick on any one gender but, the
> > women are the biggest offender. The other big problem is that many people
> > do not even have a clue what a dipstick is let alone where it is located.
> > Growing up my dad passed down the knowledge of vehicle maintenance I in
> > turn passed it down to my sons. Today the majority of parents do not pass
> > on any vehicle maintenance and this is evident on what I see at the
> college.
> >
> > Coasty
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <Nurse-NOSPAM-Busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:446c03a8$0$6046$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > > Thanks. I know Gary will get a kick out of these.
> > >
> > > "It can cost as much as $12,000 to replace an engine"! Heh, it cost me
> > > $5,000 to replace a Chevy 350 with a new factory engine, at the dealer
> in
> > > Fort Collins, CO. I told them to go to town buying spark plugs, water
> > > pump,
> > > oil cooler, anything they wanted. That was in 2001. How does one spend
> > > $12,000 on a V6 or an I4 engine?
> > >
> > > I remember one of my first cars, a 1964 Plymouth Valiant, which appeared
> > > to
> > > have a three quart oil pan for a while. After a rod let go I found out
> > > the
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:446BFCE2.FF47C8BE@***.net...
> > >> Chrysler sludge warranty? <ROTFLMAO>
> > >> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=1113
> > >> http://www.datatown.com/chrysler/ http://www.dontbuyone.org/contact.htm
> > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >>
> > >> Earle Horton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > A friend's Lexus developed engine sludge, that blocked the oil
> pickup.
> > > He
> > >> > had followed all the recommended maintenance intervals. His favorite
> > >> > mechanic found an article, that described this as some sort of
> > > compatibility
> > >> > problem, between the new motor oil and the "old" Lexus engine design.
> > > The
> > >> > car is in Albuquerque now, getting the repairs at Lexus' expense.
> The
> > >> > repair bill is $10,000. Supposedly there are thousands of cases like
> > > this.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have more data, because the friend is more of a chef than a
> > >> > mechanic. But he was pretty clear about the engine seizing up, the
> car
> > >> > being towed to Albuquerque, and numerous calls to manufacturer reps.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earle
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Will Honea