More New Scrambler Details
#231
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
> I'd like to see DC put a big honking diesel in the Grand Cherokee
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
#232
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
> I'd like to see DC put a big honking diesel in the Grand Cherokee
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
> I'd like to see DC put a big honking diesel in the Grand Cherokee
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
BHDs tend to be heavy, though. Aside from weight distribution, you
might end up having to open Pandora's toolbox on chassis strengthening
and the suspension, too, if you put something that heavy and capable
of that much torque in the likes of a Grand Cherokee.
Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio. Wonder if
that'll inspire some keeping up mit das Jonezen among the competition.
Cheers,
--Joe
#234
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well in general i am wary of running any sort of forced induction non
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
#235
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
well in general i am wary of running any sort of forced induction non
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
#236
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
well in general i am wary of running any sort of forced induction non
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
intercooled... a s/c heats things up too just by compressing the air :) not as
much as a turbo perhaps but still, its just something i'm always nervous
about... and btw, my exhaust temps never get above 1300deg ;) i think i would
crap myself if i looked down and saw a 2k reading (indicating how lean, among
other things i was running!)
There are quite a few stock cars that run a water to air intercooled setup - in
recent years, the lightning, and new cobra. subaru, vw and others have had
similar systems in the past. The main reason i suggested it wasnt so much to
push ultra boost levels, but for space reasons.. a very small ic can be used,
whereas the same size in an air to air setup wouldnt do a darn thing, plus its
not reliant on getting an ic into the airstream. w/a intercoolers arent really
designed for heavy boost use, as after a certain point the water or water/alch
could never flow fast enough to carry all the extra heat away, as well as stay
in contact with the fins long enough (opposites :)
>
>Hi Steve,
> I don't know anyone that runs an intercooler with a pump. It's not
>like Doug's pre heating the intake air through a two thousand degree
>exhaust.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
-Steve 98 TJ
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>Yep.. only problem is space.
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
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>Yep.. only problem is space.
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
#239
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>Yep.. only problem is space.
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
thats exactly why a small water to air would be perfect :)
it splits up the components so it doesnt all have to be located in the same
place.. u can have the resevior in the rear if you have a powerful pump (pull
type not push, usually)
i've seen small 2x4x6 cores used on 300+ (whp) cars and the housing can be
placed inline with the TB.. on the 4.0 i would think the perfect place is where
the stock airbox is, as the housing would be the same size or smaller with the
core mentioned above.
unless, is this where you have the blower?
heres an ok site ( i dont have any of my other links at the moment - theyre in
work) but this is the basic model of the w/a i made for the 7. his setup is
ok, but they can be made much smaller in fact..
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~robs/intercooler2.htm
i REALLY like these IC's (look for pwr barrel towards the bottom of the page)
http://www.absoluteradiator.com/Inte...s.asp?idDept=9 and they are very
mountable in the air tract if you have 10" straight length to spare anywhere in
the system, but these setups start to get pricey.
-Steve 98 TJ
#240
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>This is the casting that adapts the blower.
>http://members.***.net/wilsond/sc-cast.jpg
haha ok i should have looked before posting. :) i can see how that doesnt
leave any place for you to plumb an IC :) oops.
re: water or alch injection, i just started dabbling in alch injection, but
have come to the conclusion tis a totally non-streetable (with confidence)
setup..
by the time iw as done remapping the injectors (it would play havoc with the
fuel curve when the secondaries (and the water/alch injectors now acting as
tertiary) injectors came online.. so anyways i played around until it ran
superbly with the alch injection, but let me tell you.. when your resevior runs
dry, or close to, youre sunk. i went so instantly lean it was scary.. there was
nothing gradual, no lead in... it just went from near perfect stoich to holy
crap shut it down NOW in about a second running wide open. it was the same as
if i just unplugged a few fuel injects at that moment. it did run well with it
- but this is my daily driver too, i could never feel comfortable with alch
injection (tuned properly)
-Steve 98 TJ
>http://members.***.net/wilsond/sc-cast.jpg
haha ok i should have looked before posting. :) i can see how that doesnt
leave any place for you to plumb an IC :) oops.
re: water or alch injection, i just started dabbling in alch injection, but
have come to the conclusion tis a totally non-streetable (with confidence)
setup..
by the time iw as done remapping the injectors (it would play havoc with the
fuel curve when the secondaries (and the water/alch injectors now acting as
tertiary) injectors came online.. so anyways i played around until it ran
superbly with the alch injection, but let me tell you.. when your resevior runs
dry, or close to, youre sunk. i went so instantly lean it was scary.. there was
nothing gradual, no lead in... it just went from near perfect stoich to holy
crap shut it down NOW in about a second running wide open. it was the same as
if i just unplugged a few fuel injects at that moment. it did run well with it
- but this is my daily driver too, i could never feel comfortable with alch
injection (tuned properly)
-Steve 98 TJ