More New Scrambler Details
#271
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood it
> except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by justifying
> it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
> doubt.
> (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
> : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
> : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
> : wouldn't have argued the point.
> :
> : >
> : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
> replacement
> : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means "its
> : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small highly
> : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you can
> do
> : > to a big engine.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
>
>
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood it
> except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by justifying
> it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
> doubt.
> (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
> : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
> : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
> : wouldn't have argued the point.
> :
> : >
> : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
> replacement
> : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means "its
> : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small highly
> : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you can
> do
> : > to a big engine.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
>
>
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
#272
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood it
> except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by justifying
> it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
> doubt.
> (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
> : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
> : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
> : wouldn't have argued the point.
> :
> : >
> : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
> replacement
> : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means "its
> : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small highly
> : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you can
> do
> : > to a big engine.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
>
>
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood it
> except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by justifying
> it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
> doubt.
> (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
> : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
> : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
> : wouldn't have argued the point.
> :
> : >
> : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
> replacement
> : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means "its
> : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small highly
> : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you can
> do
> : > to a big engine.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
>
>
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
#273
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
LOL !
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
#274
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
LOL !
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
#275
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
LOL !
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
Somethings can't be added
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_796415.html
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:ZSEib.553145$Oz4.500906@rwcrnsc54...
: Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
: confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
:
: Approximately 10/13/03 13:07, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
:
: > That's the point - it seems everyone has heard the phrase and understood
it
: > except you. However, you are going to make an *** of yourself by
justifying
: > it to the bitter end, instead of saying "Oh right" and shutting up, no
: > doubt.
: > (btw, I didn't say it in the first place at all)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
: > news:b102b6e4.0310130636.65734e61@posting.google.c om...
: > : Those are two totally different statements. If you meant the second
: > : one, that's what you should have said in the first place and I
: > : wouldn't have argued the point.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > I'm aware you are having extreme problems understanding the "no
: > replacement
: > : > for displacement" phrase, so let me spell it out for you. It means
"its
: > : > easier and cheaper to have a big lower tuned engine than a small
highly
: > : > tuned engine". Obviously anything you can do to a small engine, you
can
: > do
: > : > to a big engine.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: My governor can kick your governor's ***
:
#276
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
That's what she said, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
#277
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
That's what she said, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
#278
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
That's what she said, too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps he has Carroll Shelby and John Holmes [aka Johnny Wadd]
> confused and is remembering it as "no substitute for inches".
#279
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
> >> Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
> >> the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio.
> > 4.56 is the final drive ratio, not the rear axle ratio. 6th gear in a Toureg
> > is .69 and driven thru the current axle ratio the engine revolves 4.56 times
> > for each wheel or axle revolution. The Toureg has a rear axle ratio of
> > somewhere around 3.15.
> With a rear axle ratio of 3.15, and a 6th gear of .69, the overall
> drive ratio is .69 x 3.15, or 2.17. Now if the person you "corrected"
> was right, then a 6th gear of .69 and a final drive ratio of 4.56
> would be a total final drive ratio of 3.146...which is what I recall
> as the actual numbers.
VW says "4.56 Axle Ratio" on their website, which would make more
sense to me in the context of a gearbox with six speeds forward. (I
wonder if you're supposed to use first gear in routine driving.)
Axle ratios like that are familiar enough in off-roading and serious
cargo/trailering setups for light trucks, but with the three- and
four-speed transmissions traditionally found in USAmerican pickups and
SUVs, the price is sharply limited top speed, lousy highway gas
mileage, or never seeming to have just the right gear at intermediate
speeds (pick one or more). With a five- or better yet a six-speed
you can at least in principle have your cake and eat it too.
Cheers,
--Joe
> >> the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio.
> > 4.56 is the final drive ratio, not the rear axle ratio. 6th gear in a Toureg
> > is .69 and driven thru the current axle ratio the engine revolves 4.56 times
> > for each wheel or axle revolution. The Toureg has a rear axle ratio of
> > somewhere around 3.15.
> With a rear axle ratio of 3.15, and a 6th gear of .69, the overall
> drive ratio is .69 x 3.15, or 2.17. Now if the person you "corrected"
> was right, then a 6th gear of .69 and a final drive ratio of 4.56
> would be a total final drive ratio of 3.146...which is what I recall
> as the actual numbers.
VW says "4.56 Axle Ratio" on their website, which would make more
sense to me in the context of a gearbox with six speeds forward. (I
wonder if you're supposed to use first gear in routine driving.)
Axle ratios like that are familiar enough in off-roading and serious
cargo/trailering setups for light trucks, but with the three- and
four-speed transmissions traditionally found in USAmerican pickups and
SUVs, the price is sharply limited top speed, lousy highway gas
mileage, or never seeming to have just the right gear at intermediate
speeds (pick one or more). With a five- or better yet a six-speed
you can at least in principle have your cake and eat it too.
Cheers,
--Joe
#280
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Re: More New Scrambler Details
> >> Speaking of improvements, though, have you noticed the driveline on
> >> the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio.
> > 4.56 is the final drive ratio, not the rear axle ratio. 6th gear in a Toureg
> > is .69 and driven thru the current axle ratio the engine revolves 4.56 times
> > for each wheel or axle revolution. The Toureg has a rear axle ratio of
> > somewhere around 3.15.
> With a rear axle ratio of 3.15, and a 6th gear of .69, the overall
> drive ratio is .69 x 3.15, or 2.17. Now if the person you "corrected"
> was right, then a 6th gear of .69 and a final drive ratio of 4.56
> would be a total final drive ratio of 3.146...which is what I recall
> as the actual numbers.
VW says "4.56 Axle Ratio" on their website, which would make more
sense to me in the context of a gearbox with six speeds forward. (I
wonder if you're supposed to use first gear in routine driving.)
Axle ratios like that are familiar enough in off-roading and serious
cargo/trailering setups for light trucks, but with the three- and
four-speed transmissions traditionally found in USAmerican pickups and
SUVs, the price is sharply limited top speed, lousy highway gas
mileage, or never seeming to have just the right gear at intermediate
speeds (pick one or more). With a five- or better yet a six-speed
you can at least in principle have your cake and eat it too.
Cheers,
--Joe
> >> the Touareg? SIX speed automatic and a 4.56 axle ratio.
> > 4.56 is the final drive ratio, not the rear axle ratio. 6th gear in a Toureg
> > is .69 and driven thru the current axle ratio the engine revolves 4.56 times
> > for each wheel or axle revolution. The Toureg has a rear axle ratio of
> > somewhere around 3.15.
> With a rear axle ratio of 3.15, and a 6th gear of .69, the overall
> drive ratio is .69 x 3.15, or 2.17. Now if the person you "corrected"
> was right, then a 6th gear of .69 and a final drive ratio of 4.56
> would be a total final drive ratio of 3.146...which is what I recall
> as the actual numbers.
VW says "4.56 Axle Ratio" on their website, which would make more
sense to me in the context of a gearbox with six speeds forward. (I
wonder if you're supposed to use first gear in routine driving.)
Axle ratios like that are familiar enough in off-roading and serious
cargo/trailering setups for light trucks, but with the three- and
four-speed transmissions traditionally found in USAmerican pickups and
SUVs, the price is sharply limited top speed, lousy highway gas
mileage, or never seeming to have just the right gear at intermediate
speeds (pick one or more). With a five- or better yet a six-speed
you can at least in principle have your cake and eat it too.
Cheers,
--Joe