Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

I'd go more for 4 guage at least, 2 guage more likely... or sacrifice a
set of those nice big jumper cables or surplus welding cables.


Bulletsnbrains proclaimed:

> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
>
> Brian
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>>If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
>>a
>>battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
>>from
>>the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
>>cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
>>home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
>>isolation switch.
>>
>>The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
>>pencil
>>in what happens, for each switch position.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>>
>>>Ok,
>>>
>>>Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>>
>>on
>>
>>>the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>>>topic)
>>>
>>>I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>>>toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>>
>>3K
>>
>>>lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>>>because
>>>of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>>>mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>>
>>>I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>>>contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>>>thru ground of trailer frame
>>>
>>>I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>>>identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>>>http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>
>
>

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

I'd go more for 4 guage at least, 2 guage more likely... or sacrifice a
set of those nice big jumper cables or surplus welding cables.


Bulletsnbrains proclaimed:

> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
>
> Brian
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>>If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
>>a
>>battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
>>from
>>the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
>>cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
>>home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
>>isolation switch.
>>
>>The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
>>pencil
>>in what happens, for each switch position.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>>
>>>Ok,
>>>
>>>Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>>
>>on
>>
>>>the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>>>topic)
>>>
>>>I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>>>toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>>
>>3K
>>
>>>lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>>>because
>>>of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>>>mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>>
>>>I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>>>contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>>>thru ground of trailer frame
>>>
>>>I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>>>identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>>>http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>
>
>

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

I'd go more for 4 guage at least, 2 guage more likely... or sacrifice a
set of those nice big jumper cables or surplus welding cables.


Bulletsnbrains proclaimed:

> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
>
> Brian
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>>If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
>>a
>>battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
>>from
>>the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
>>cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
>>home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
>>isolation switch.
>>
>>The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
>>pencil
>>in what happens, for each switch position.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
>>
>>>Ok,
>>>
>>>Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>>
>>on
>>
>>>the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>>>topic)
>>>
>>>I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>>>toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>>
>>3K
>>
>>>lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>>>because
>>>of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>>>mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>>
>>>I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>>>contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>>>thru ground of trailer frame
>>>
>>>I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>>>identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>>>http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>
>
>

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
hot triggering the solenoid.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> forward or reverse operation.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
hot triggering the solenoid.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> forward or reverse operation.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
hot triggering the solenoid.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
> this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
> Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
> circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
> with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
> would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
> forward or reverse operation.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
Why don't you use a regular car starter solenoid. Or four of them
like Warn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000
> lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few
> minutes.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
Why don't you use a regular car starter solenoid. Or four of them
like Warn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000
> lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few
> minutes.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Hi Brian,
Why don't you use a regular car starter solenoid. Or four of them
like Warn.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000
> lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few
> minutes.
>
> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.

Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Hi Brian,
> I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> hot triggering the solenoid.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
>>Hey Bill,
>>
>>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
>>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
>>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
>>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
>>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
>>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
>>forward or reverse operation.
>>
>>Brian