Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Superwinch is a good brand to look up specs on: Their smallest (1000
pound rated) unit draws 92 amps at full load.
http://www.superwinch.com/pages/x/ex1.html
Power draw goes up (WAY UP!) from there, you have no idea what yours
will pull.

The last pic should work for your two wire unit. You shouldn't need any
diodes, this is all brute force low voltage power circuits. You are
going to fry your relays the first time you stall the winch, use Ford
(or Jeep!) starter relays. The starter relays are about the same price
as the ones you are looking at.


Bulletsnbrains wrote:

> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.

The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.

The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.

The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian

Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
and see how much current it draws.

Earle

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
as
> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>
> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
>
>



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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
and see how much current it draws.

Earle

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
as
> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>
> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
>
>



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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
and see how much current it draws.

Earle

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
as
> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>
> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> > winch amp load.
> >
> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> > blow the heat shrink off them.
> >
> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> > that route.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
mounted
> >> on
> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
> >> topic)
> >>
> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
than
> >> 3K
> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
> >> because
> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
firewall
> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
> >>
> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
provided
> >> thru ground of trailer frame
> >>
> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
search.
> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
> >>
> >> Brian
>
>



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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity.

The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle
almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use.

The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was
$4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the
same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge
wire.

Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays
styles?



"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter
> solenoids,
> I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
> and see how much current it draws.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
>> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
> as
>> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>>
>> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
>> > winch amp load.
>> >
>> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
>> > blow the heat shrink off them.
>> >
>> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
>> > that route.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok,
>> >>
>> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
> mounted
>> >> on
>> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> >> topic)
>> >>
>> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary
>> >> on-off-on
>> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
> than
>> >> 3K
>> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> >> because
>> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
> firewall
>> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>> >>
>> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
> provided
>> >> thru ground of trailer frame
>> >>
>> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
> search.
>> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>> >>
>> >> Brian
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity.

The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle
almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use.

The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was
$4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the
same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge
wire.

Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays
styles?



"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter
> solenoids,
> I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
> and see how much current it draws.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
>> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
> as
>> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>>
>> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
>> > winch amp load.
>> >
>> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
>> > blow the heat shrink off them.
>> >
>> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
>> > that route.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok,
>> >>
>> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
> mounted
>> >> on
>> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> >> topic)
>> >>
>> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary
>> >> on-off-on
>> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
> than
>> >> 3K
>> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> >> because
>> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
> firewall
>> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>> >>
>> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
> provided
>> >> thru ground of trailer frame
>> >>
>> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
> search.
>> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>> >>
>> >> Brian
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
 

Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity.

The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle
almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use.

The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was
$4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the
same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge
wire.

Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays
styles?



"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter
> solenoids,
> I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire,
> and see how much current it draws.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
> news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET...
>> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications
> as
>> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out.
>>
>> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
>> > winch amp load.
>> >
>> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
>> > blow the heat shrink off them.
>> >
>> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
>> > that route.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok,
>> >>
>> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch
> mounted
>> >> on
>> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> >> topic)
>> >>
>> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary
>> >> on-off-on
>> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger
> than
>> >> 3K
>> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> >> because
>> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical
> firewall
>> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>> >>
>> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice
> provided
>> >> thru ground of trailer frame
>> >>
>> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net
> search.
>> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>> >>
>> >> Brian
>>
>>
>
>
>
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