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Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Ok,
Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided thru ground of trailer frame I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an isolation switch. The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil in what happens, for each switch position. Earle "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an isolation switch. The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil in what happens, for each switch position. Earle "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an isolation switch. The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil in what happens, for each switch position. Earle "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hi Earle,
I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the amperage pull off the battery. Brian "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put > a > battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance > from > the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper > cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor > home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an > isolation switch. > > The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and > pencil > in what happens, for each switch position. > > Earle > > "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hi Earle,
I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the amperage pull off the battery. Brian "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put > a > battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance > from > the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper > cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor > home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an > isolation switch. > > The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and > pencil > in what happens, for each switch position. > > Earle > > "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hi Earle,
I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the amperage pull off the battery. Brian "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put > a > battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance > from > the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper > cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor > home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an > isolation switch. > > The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and > pencil > in what happens, for each switch position. > > Earle > > "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. 12V Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25' 50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8 100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4 150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2 200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2 -- DougW |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. 12V Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25' 50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8 100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4 150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2 200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2 -- DougW |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. 12V Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25' 50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8 100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4 150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2 200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2 -- DougW |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Hi Earle, > > I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was > guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to > relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the > amperage pull off the battery. > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load. I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to blow the heat shrink off them. The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go that route. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load. I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to blow the heat shrink off them. The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go that route. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load. I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to blow the heat shrink off them. The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go that route. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this. Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the forward or reverse operation. Brian "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@cox.net... > But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big > enough for the break-away brakes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Hi Earle, >> >> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I >> was >> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to >> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the >> amperage pull off the battery. >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this. Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the forward or reverse operation. Brian "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@cox.net... > But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big > enough for the break-away brakes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Hi Earle, >> >> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I >> was >> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to >> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the >> amperage pull off the battery. >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this. Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the forward or reverse operation. Brian "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@cox.net... > But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big > enough for the break-away brakes. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Hi Earle, >> >> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I >> was >> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to >> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the >> amperage pull off the battery. >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike,
The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few minutes. Brian "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike,
The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few minutes. Brian "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike,
The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few minutes. Brian "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
To answer the diode question, no you don't need them if you can even
find ones that can handle the amps. When the trigger is off the relay is an open circuit. Winches pull a lot more power than you are thinking I think. Mike Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 > lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few > minutes. > > Brian > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
To answer the diode question, no you don't need them if you can even
find ones that can handle the amps. When the trigger is off the relay is an open circuit. Winches pull a lot more power than you are thinking I think. Mike Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 > lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few > minutes. > > Brian > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
To answer the diode question, no you don't need them if you can even
find ones that can handle the amps. When the trigger is off the relay is an open circuit. Winches pull a lot more power than you are thinking I think. Mike Bulletsnbrains wrote: > > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000 > lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few > minutes. > > Brian > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Pics posted 8:50AM
"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:QCYdg.18354$fb2.2281@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et... > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe > 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a > few minutes. > > Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Pics posted 8:50AM
"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:QCYdg.18354$fb2.2281@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et... > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe > 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a > few minutes. > > Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Pics posted 8:50AM
"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:QCYdg.18354$fb2.2281@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et... > Mike, > > The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe > 3000 lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a > few minutes. > > Brian > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Superwinch is a good brand to look up specs on: Their smallest (1000
pound rated) unit draws 92 amps at full load. http://www.superwinch.com/pages/x/ex1.html Power draw goes up (WAY UP!) from there, you have no idea what yours will pull. The last pic should work for your two wire unit. You shouldn't need any diodes, this is all brute force low voltage power circuits. You are going to fry your relays the first time you stall the winch, use Ford (or Jeep!) starter relays. The starter relays are about the same price as the ones you are looking at. Bulletsnbrains wrote: > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Superwinch is a good brand to look up specs on: Their smallest (1000
pound rated) unit draws 92 amps at full load. http://www.superwinch.com/pages/x/ex1.html Power draw goes up (WAY UP!) from there, you have no idea what yours will pull. The last pic should work for your two wire unit. You shouldn't need any diodes, this is all brute force low voltage power circuits. You are going to fry your relays the first time you stall the winch, use Ford (or Jeep!) starter relays. The starter relays are about the same price as the ones you are looking at. Bulletsnbrains wrote: > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Superwinch is a good brand to look up specs on: Their smallest (1000
pound rated) unit draws 92 amps at full load. http://www.superwinch.com/pages/x/ex1.html Power draw goes up (WAY UP!) from there, you have no idea what yours will pull. The last pic should work for your two wire unit. You shouldn't need any diodes, this is all brute force low voltage power circuits. You are going to fry your relays the first time you stall the winch, use Ford (or Jeep!) starter relays. The starter relays are about the same price as the ones you are looking at. Bulletsnbrains wrote: > Ok, > > Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on > the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic) > > I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K > lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because > of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > > I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > thru ground of trailer frame > > I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > > Brian > > > > |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as
they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > winch amp load. > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > blow the heat shrink off them. > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > that route. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted >> on >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> topic) >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than >> 3K >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> because >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> Brian |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, and see how much current it draws. Earle "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... > In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as > they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. > > The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, and see how much current it draws. Earle "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... > In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as > they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. > > The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter solenoids,
I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, and see how much current it draws. Earle "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... > In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications as > they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. > > The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... > >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the > > winch amp load. > > > > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to > > blow the heat shrink off them. > > > > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go > > that route. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > > Bulletsnbrains wrote: > >> > >> Ok, > >> > >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted > >> on > >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on > >> topic) > >> > >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on > >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than > >> 3K > >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays > >> because > >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall > >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. > >> > >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical > >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided > >> thru ground of trailer frame > >> > >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost > >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search. > >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 > >> > >> Brian > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity. The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use. The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was $4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge wire. Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays styles? "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter > solenoids, > I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, > and see how much current it draws. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message > news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... >> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications > as >> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. >> >> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the >> > winch amp load. >> > >> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to >> > blow the heat shrink off them. >> > >> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go >> > that route. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok, >> >> >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch > mounted >> >> on >> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> >> topic) >> >> >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary >> >> on-off-on >> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger > than >> >> 3K >> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> >> because >> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical > firewall >> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice > provided >> >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net > search. >> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity. The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use. The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was $4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge wire. Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays styles? "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter > solenoids, > I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, > and see how much current it draws. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message > news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... >> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications > as >> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. >> >> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the >> > winch amp load. >> > >> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to >> > blow the heat shrink off them. >> > >> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go >> > that route. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok, >> >> >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch > mounted >> >> on >> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> >> topic) >> >> >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary >> >> on-off-on >> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger > than >> >> 3K >> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> >> because >> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical > firewall >> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice > provided >> >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net > search. >> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Some of the older 'big' winches (8-9k rating) can draw up to 400 amps at
max capacity. The Ford relays aren't rated that high for sustained use but can handle almost anything reasonable for short periods such as winch use. The last time I bought one was probably 10 years ago and I think it was $4.99, the new modular relays probably cost twice as much, can't take the same load, and it would be difficult or impossible to connect a large gauge wire. Did you notice that Pirate page shows both the 'new' and 'old' relays styles? "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message news:44787ae6$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > That's why the picture in the Pirate 4x4 link shows Ford starter > solenoids, > I think. Hook up a load to the winch, put a clip-on ammeter on the wire, > and see how much current it draws. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message > news:cf250$4478688f$48311525$23208@FUSE.NET... >> In the fire service we used Ford starter relays for high amp applications > as >> they are effective and cheap to replace of you manage to burn one out. >> >> The Warn winches I have seen taken apart appear to use them also. >> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca... >> >I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the >> > winch amp load. >> > >> > I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to >> > blow the heat shrink off them. >> > >> > The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go >> > that route. >> > >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > >> > Bulletsnbrains wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok, >> >> >> >> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch > mounted >> >> on >> >> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on >> >> topic) >> >> >> >> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary >> >> on-off-on >> >> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger > than >> >> 3K >> >> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays >> >> because >> >> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical > firewall >> >> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp. >> >> >> >> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical >> >> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice > provided >> >> thru ground of trailer frame >> >> >> >> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost >> >> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net > search. >> >> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241 >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
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