Are you saying the CJ-6 and CJ-8 are not "real jeeps"? Get a grip, Bill!
You're "real jeep" crap is getting real old...

--
Jim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F76064E.EA2389D7@***.net...
> Real Jeeps, have Short Wheel Base of 83.5" or shorter:
> http://www.jeeppartsinfo.com/
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tyler Dirden wrote:
> >
> > Nathan,
> >
> > I agree with you, Jeeps don't need any further creature comforts (this
from
> > a fellow Rubi owner who enjoys AC). What I don't see however, is how
power
> > windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
matter)
> > cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
> > td

 

Approximately 9/27/03 15:33, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:

> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
>> What I don't see however, is how power
>> windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
>> cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.

And too bad they can't simply split the models into the
P-wagons such as the Liberty, Grand Cherokee, Grand Wagoneer,
etc. and then move the other series into the hardcore
direction with a good short wheel base high clearance
model, and perhaps a heavy duty wagon and truck version
of that.
Put the independent suspension and ride height controls on
this P-wagon series for mostly highway but occasional
rough trail use....

Personally got no problem with leaving air conditioning
on the hard core models... probably from starting jeeping
in the western deserts where it can keep your brains from
baking. But these should be hose washable interiors,
no cheapass fall-apart axles, extended wheel travel, etc.
And a bit of towing capacity on any bigger hardcore
units would be nice... say like a civilian version of the
old 3/4 military jeep that could go pretty much anywhere
albeit a bit slowly.

 

Approximately 9/27/03 15:33, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:

> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
>> What I don't see however, is how power
>> windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
>> cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.

And too bad they can't simply split the models into the
P-wagons such as the Liberty, Grand Cherokee, Grand Wagoneer,
etc. and then move the other series into the hardcore
direction with a good short wheel base high clearance
model, and perhaps a heavy duty wagon and truck version
of that.
Put the independent suspension and ride height controls on
this P-wagon series for mostly highway but occasional
rough trail use....

Personally got no problem with leaving air conditioning
on the hard core models... probably from starting jeeping
in the western deserts where it can keep your brains from
baking. But these should be hose washable interiors,
no cheapass fall-apart axles, extended wheel travel, etc.
And a bit of towing capacity on any bigger hardcore
units would be nice... say like a civilian version of the
old 3/4 military jeep that could go pretty much anywhere
albeit a bit slowly.

 

In article <Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> writes:

>then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
>suv).

Hmm, mine had AC and power windows....still does but it' s not mine anymore :-(
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> writes:

>then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
>suv).

Hmm, mine had AC and power windows....still does but it' s not mine anymore :-(
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

Their design was compromised for the farmer for one, who needed to
put a bail of hay in the back of his quarter ton truck. Maybe someday
you too will own a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

TJim wrote:
>
> Are you saying the CJ-6 and CJ-8 are not "real jeeps"? Get a grip, Bill!
> You're "real jeep" crap is getting real old...
>
> --
> Jim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98

 

Their design was compromised for the farmer for one, who needed to
put a bail of hay in the back of his quarter ton truck. Maybe someday
you too will own a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

TJim wrote:
>
> Are you saying the CJ-6 and CJ-8 are not "real jeeps"? Get a grip, Bill!
> You're "real jeep" crap is getting real old...
>
> --
> Jim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98

 

Not to mention apologizing for the Dallas Cowboys and the owner Jerry
Jones...ok, we don't have to go THAT far...

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 9/27/03 11:42, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
>
>
>>in fact, if ANYBODY can tell me ANYTHING else that i can
>>apologize for just let me know and ill do that right here in front of
>>everybody because the LAST thing i want to do is hurt anybodys feelings.
>
>
> Well, since nobody else seems willing to take the blame, perhaps
> we could have you publicly flogged for the Oakland Raider offense
> which I fully expect to get pulverized by San Diego tomorrow.
>
> And of course you caused the recession...so fix it.
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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__________________________________________________ _________

 

Not to mention apologizing for the Dallas Cowboys and the owner Jerry
Jones...ok, we don't have to go THAT far...

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 9/27/03 11:42, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
>
>
>>in fact, if ANYBODY can tell me ANYTHING else that i can
>>apologize for just let me know and ill do that right here in front of
>>everybody because the LAST thing i want to do is hurt anybodys feelings.
>
>
> Well, since nobody else seems willing to take the blame, perhaps
> we could have you publicly flogged for the Oakland Raider offense
> which I fully expect to get pulverized by San Diego tomorrow.
>
> And of course you caused the recession...so fix it.
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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__________________________________________________ _________

 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20030927191122.07346.00000821@mb-m26.aol.com...
> In article <Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Nathan W.
Collier"
> <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> writes:
>
> >then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
> >suv).
>
> Hmm, mine had AC and power windows

i never said my opinions were based in reason or even rational thought. its
purely sentimental....its _my_ "jeep thing".

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com