Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
>what is it with people like you? youre buying a _jeep_, and bitching about
>the lack of creature comforts. i suggest you buy something that has what
>you want instead of trying to buy into an image and then bitching about the
>very points that made that image what it is. thinking like yours will kill
>the jeep name
You know -- it's attitudes like this that have kept me from joining
any jeep clubs and really paying attention to half the crap that is
posted here and in other forums.
I never purchased an image..
I sold my old '88 GM 3/4ton that I dropped a D60 SFA in the front,
winch front and rear, lifted sitting on 44" 's with ARB's front and
rear, 350, 5spd.. Because it became a troll to drive and really was
a beast to take on any trails, but was great in mud..
So I purchased a new TJ.. I have since swapped out the front
for a d44, tossed my old winch on it, lifted it 6" and slapped some
35's on it.. in a few weeks I'll be tossing a front and rear ARB on
it as well..
I purchased a vehicle that had a shorter wheel base and would
be more practicle on the trails I wish to use. How do you figure
I purchased an image?
So where the HELL do you get off with your assinine attitude
bitching at me because I want power windows and power locks.
Get off your soap box and stop giving Jeep enthusists a bad name.
Thinking like yours is very narrow and outright stupid.
>the lack of creature comforts. i suggest you buy something that has what
>you want instead of trying to buy into an image and then bitching about the
>very points that made that image what it is. thinking like yours will kill
>the jeep name
You know -- it's attitudes like this that have kept me from joining
any jeep clubs and really paying attention to half the crap that is
posted here and in other forums.
I never purchased an image..
I sold my old '88 GM 3/4ton that I dropped a D60 SFA in the front,
winch front and rear, lifted sitting on 44" 's with ARB's front and
rear, 350, 5spd.. Because it became a troll to drive and really was
a beast to take on any trails, but was great in mud..
So I purchased a new TJ.. I have since swapped out the front
for a d44, tossed my old winch on it, lifted it 6" and slapped some
35's on it.. in a few weeks I'll be tossing a front and rear ARB on
it as well..
I purchased a vehicle that had a shorter wheel base and would
be more practicle on the trails I wish to use. How do you figure
I purchased an image?
So where the HELL do you get off with your assinine attitude
bitching at me because I want power windows and power locks.
Get off your soap box and stop giving Jeep enthusists a bad name.
Thinking like yours is very narrow and outright stupid.
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:DV8db.41416$eX1.591@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Geeze Nathan, did someone **** in your cornflakes today?
>
> the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
> (although he may be a long-timer). to introduce yourself to the group by
> bitching about what a jeep does not have is poor form.
I can see your point here, to a degree. On the other hand, I think Jeep
should offer some things they don't offer as well. None of them are creature
comforts, but most of them are things that people add to their Jeeps when
they off road anyway. I guess that's why we have the aftermarket, so that we
can make the changes we want to our vehicle. No one says that everyone will
like what he do/add to our vehicles, but if it is what we want, then who
cares? Maybe his post came across the wrong way and he was trying to let
people know that if they want those options they can add them. Your guess is
as good as mine.
>
>
> > I'm sure your
> > Rubicon has creature comforts in it as well. Maybe A/C, a stereo with a
CD
> > player or cruise control?
>
> all of the above, and i enjoy them.
>
>
> > Do real Jeeps have those?
>
> absolutely!
This is my point. Why is cruise control not considered a "yuppie" option and
power windows and locks are? Don't get me wrong, I don't think either one is
a necessity, or in my case even desirable, but if someone wants those
options on a Wrangler, I hardly think it's going to ruin the Jeep name.
> > Just because someone
> > wants an option on their Wrangler doesn't make it wrong, does it?
>
> all this ---- is relative and based in opinion and in _my_ opinion (which
is
> what i base my posts on) whining about the lack of power windows in a swb
> jeep is a yuppie wanna-be type of whine. you gotta draw the line
somewhere,
> and i have CONSISTENTLY drawn that line prior to anything that detracts
from
> what makes a jeep a jeep.
>
Like you said, it is an opinion. I agree, the last thing I want to see is
the Wrangler become a Liberty. Every time I see one here there is some upper
class woman driving it. You know she'll never take the thing off road,
unless you consider 2" of snow in Wal-Mart's parking lot off road.
>
> > I find the info you provide here to be very useful.
>
> thank you. thats why i do what i do.
You're welcome. I just got the videos off your site, and I enjoyed them.
Please keep up the good work.
>
>
> > I just don't
> > quite see what power windows or locks would have to do with killing the
> Jeep
> > name.
>
> whats next? power windows standard? heated seats? how about a shiatsu
> massager built in to the high back seat? IFS/IRS?
You forgot the removeable hot tub in the back, as well as the *******
tickler in the seat. Might as well enjoy the Jeep if it's going to be
bastardized. ;)
>
> there are many things i would like to see as options on the tj (v8, pto,
> etc), but theyre all based in making the jeep more capable and thats what
> makes a jeep a jeep.
Agreed on both points.
>
>
> > Things like the Liberty will
> > have much more to do with "killing" the Jeep name than adding power
> windows
> > or locks to a Wrangler.
>
> but adding power windows to a wrangler is along the same lines as the
> liberty itself. before you know it the doors wont come off, the
windshields
> wont fold down, and the drive axles will be independent of one another and
> it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
> into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> name die than to be bastardized further.
If DC is dumb enough to ruin the Wrangler by making said changes, then
you're right, the Jeep won't be what it is/used to be. I haven't been into
Jeeps very long, but even I know how loyal and dedicated the owners of real
Jeeps are. Hopefully the yuppie SUV types will stick to the Liberty and they
won't ruin the Wrangler by making it a Liberty with removeable doors. If
they do then I guess we'll have to fix up the older ones. This is what I
intend to do anyway.
>
>
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> funny, i thought i _did_.
>
> <sigh>....maybe i take jeeping to seriously.
I wouldn't say that. You have a love for Jeeps, just like anyone else who is
really into something has a love for whatever they do or enjoy. I guess my
point in all this is, this guy may just have been venting, or letting people
know you can add those options to your vehicle yourself if you'd like.
Jumping all over someone could potentially make someone say "screw this
newsgroup" when in fact they may have a lot of good info, advice,
multimedia, or whatever. Had someone jumped on my first post to a newsgroup
like that, I would have said "screw these jerks". One other thing to
remember, even though odds are against it, one of these people that we run
off may be the person coming down the trail when we're stuck bad somewhere,
or broke down, or whatever. I guess in summary, maybe this is the guy's
first Jeep, and he doesn't know about the "Jeep thing", but IMO it would be
better to kindly inform him. He might be just getting into it as I am. On
the other hand, maybe I am assuming way too much.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
Chris
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:DV8db.41416$eX1.591@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Geeze Nathan, did someone **** in your cornflakes today?
>
> the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
> (although he may be a long-timer). to introduce yourself to the group by
> bitching about what a jeep does not have is poor form.
I can see your point here, to a degree. On the other hand, I think Jeep
should offer some things they don't offer as well. None of them are creature
comforts, but most of them are things that people add to their Jeeps when
they off road anyway. I guess that's why we have the aftermarket, so that we
can make the changes we want to our vehicle. No one says that everyone will
like what he do/add to our vehicles, but if it is what we want, then who
cares? Maybe his post came across the wrong way and he was trying to let
people know that if they want those options they can add them. Your guess is
as good as mine.
>
>
> > I'm sure your
> > Rubicon has creature comforts in it as well. Maybe A/C, a stereo with a
CD
> > player or cruise control?
>
> all of the above, and i enjoy them.
>
>
> > Do real Jeeps have those?
>
> absolutely!
This is my point. Why is cruise control not considered a "yuppie" option and
power windows and locks are? Don't get me wrong, I don't think either one is
a necessity, or in my case even desirable, but if someone wants those
options on a Wrangler, I hardly think it's going to ruin the Jeep name.
> > Just because someone
> > wants an option on their Wrangler doesn't make it wrong, does it?
>
> all this ---- is relative and based in opinion and in _my_ opinion (which
is
> what i base my posts on) whining about the lack of power windows in a swb
> jeep is a yuppie wanna-be type of whine. you gotta draw the line
somewhere,
> and i have CONSISTENTLY drawn that line prior to anything that detracts
from
> what makes a jeep a jeep.
>
Like you said, it is an opinion. I agree, the last thing I want to see is
the Wrangler become a Liberty. Every time I see one here there is some upper
class woman driving it. You know she'll never take the thing off road,
unless you consider 2" of snow in Wal-Mart's parking lot off road.
>
> > I find the info you provide here to be very useful.
>
> thank you. thats why i do what i do.
You're welcome. I just got the videos off your site, and I enjoyed them.
Please keep up the good work.
>
>
> > I just don't
> > quite see what power windows or locks would have to do with killing the
> Jeep
> > name.
>
> whats next? power windows standard? heated seats? how about a shiatsu
> massager built in to the high back seat? IFS/IRS?
You forgot the removeable hot tub in the back, as well as the *******
tickler in the seat. Might as well enjoy the Jeep if it's going to be
bastardized. ;)
>
> there are many things i would like to see as options on the tj (v8, pto,
> etc), but theyre all based in making the jeep more capable and thats what
> makes a jeep a jeep.
Agreed on both points.
>
>
> > Things like the Liberty will
> > have much more to do with "killing" the Jeep name than adding power
> windows
> > or locks to a Wrangler.
>
> but adding power windows to a wrangler is along the same lines as the
> liberty itself. before you know it the doors wont come off, the
windshields
> wont fold down, and the drive axles will be independent of one another and
> it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
> into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> name die than to be bastardized further.
If DC is dumb enough to ruin the Wrangler by making said changes, then
you're right, the Jeep won't be what it is/used to be. I haven't been into
Jeeps very long, but even I know how loyal and dedicated the owners of real
Jeeps are. Hopefully the yuppie SUV types will stick to the Liberty and they
won't ruin the Wrangler by making it a Liberty with removeable doors. If
they do then I guess we'll have to fix up the older ones. This is what I
intend to do anyway.
>
>
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> funny, i thought i _did_.
>
> <sigh>....maybe i take jeeping to seriously.
I wouldn't say that. You have a love for Jeeps, just like anyone else who is
really into something has a love for whatever they do or enjoy. I guess my
point in all this is, this guy may just have been venting, or letting people
know you can add those options to your vehicle yourself if you'd like.
Jumping all over someone could potentially make someone say "screw this
newsgroup" when in fact they may have a lot of good info, advice,
multimedia, or whatever. Had someone jumped on my first post to a newsgroup
like that, I would have said "screw these jerks". One other thing to
remember, even though odds are against it, one of these people that we run
off may be the person coming down the trail when we're stuck bad somewhere,
or broke down, or whatever. I guess in summary, maybe this is the guy's
first Jeep, and he doesn't know about the "Jeep thing", but IMO it would be
better to kindly inform him. He might be just getting into it as I am. On
the other hand, maybe I am assuming way too much.
>
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
Chris
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
>the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
>into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the jeep
>name die than to be bastardized further.
Oh get off it..
And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
>into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the jeep
>name die than to be bastardized further.
Oh get off it..
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
>the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
>into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the jeep
>name die than to be bastardized further.
Oh get off it..
And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies buying
>into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the jeep
>name die than to be bastardized further.
Oh get off it..
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message
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> >the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
>
> And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
>
> I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
> people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
>
> I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
> I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
> THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>
> >it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies
buying
> >into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> >name die than to be bastardized further.
>
> Oh get off it..
The crap you responded to is why I've cut my participation in this newsgroup
by 99%. I'm so sick of the continual holier-than-thou -------- in here by
a few unnamed "real Jeep" individuals that it's hard to participate even
that 1%.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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> >the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
>
> And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
>
> I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
> people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
>
> I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
> I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
> THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>
> >it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies
buying
> >into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> >name die than to be bastardized further.
>
> Oh get off it..
The crap you responded to is why I've cut my participation in this newsgroup
by 99%. I'm so sick of the continual holier-than-thou -------- in here by
a few unnamed "real Jeep" individuals that it's hard to participate even
that 1%.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Chris" <repcri@telus.net.spam> wrote in message
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> >the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
>
> And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
>
> I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
> people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
>
> I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
> I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
> THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>
> >it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies
buying
> >into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> >name die than to be bastardized further.
>
> Oh get off it..
The crap you responded to is why I've cut my participation in this newsgroup
by 99%. I'm so sick of the continual holier-than-thou -------- in here by
a few unnamed "real Jeep" individuals that it's hard to participate even
that 1%.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
news:3r9anvsb97cdsp456hfcbk426rrfrj5tkn@4ax.com...
> >the post rubbed me the wrong way. ive never "noticed" him in here before
>
> And you've basically made a real vivid impression about yourself.
>
> I've been in here for years -- I don't post most of the time because
> people inevitibly like to reduce it to posts like yours and worse.
>
> I ran accross some parts that despite your narrow views on things
> I'm sure some people would be interested in. ISN'T THAT ONE OF
> THE MAIN POINTS OF FORUMS LIKE THIS?
>
> >it wont be due to government regulations, it will be due to yuppies
buying
> >into the image and throwing down the cash and frankly id rather see the
jeep
> >name die than to be bastardized further.
>
> Oh get off it..
The crap you responded to is why I've cut my participation in this newsgroup
by 99%. I'm so sick of the continual holier-than-thou -------- in here by
a few unnamed "real Jeep" individuals that it's hard to participate even
that 1%.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
>I'll be ordering both kits from this company considering how cheep
>they are..
Considering that now yet again in the few posts I've made over the
past three years it again is met with BS comments, I'll take the
"liberty" (Not that I'd ever own an IFS vehicle) and remove my post,
and will simply withdraw completly from the forum.
If offering information that some others may be interested in is to
met with this kind of BS, I don't care for it, and won't be
bothering to stick around any longer.
It's not worth my time -- I'll simply keep anything else I run
across to myself.
>they are..
Considering that now yet again in the few posts I've made over the
past three years it again is met with BS comments, I'll take the
"liberty" (Not that I'd ever own an IFS vehicle) and remove my post,
and will simply withdraw completly from the forum.
If offering information that some others may be interested in is to
met with this kind of BS, I don't care for it, and won't be
bothering to stick around any longer.
It's not worth my time -- I'll simply keep anything else I run
across to myself.