Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
09-28-2003, 12:38 AM
#112
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
I don't think it's creature comforts killing Jeep, it's design decisions
contrary to the ideal that existed when "Jeep" meant something different
than it does today. Like someone else mentioned, you can defrost the rear
window on a hardtop, but you can still remove said hardtop... The same thing
could be done with doors to facilitate power windows and locks and a Jeep
would still be a Jeep.
Power options (including seats if they ever decide to put those in) don't
make it less of an off-road machine. They just make it a more comfortable
off-road machine. Now when they start changing the suspension, I'll take
issue with that. I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
td
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com.. .
> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
> > What I don't see however, is how power
> > windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
> > cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.
>
> first they announce that the yj would be sold in addition to the cj line,
> then they kill the cj. then they announce that the xj would be sold in
> addition to the kj, then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
> suv). the solid axle is gone from the wj in '05, that much is already
> known. eventually it will be gone from the swb, but thats just opinion so
> maybe that doesnt count. theyre already talking at camp jeep about fixing
> the front windshields so that they dont fold down. there is no more
rubicon
> trail challenge because the entire line up can no longer cross without
> stacking it as flat as a back country road.
>
> its not the power windows alone.....its the combined trend of options.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
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contrary to the ideal that existed when "Jeep" meant something different
than it does today. Like someone else mentioned, you can defrost the rear
window on a hardtop, but you can still remove said hardtop... The same thing
could be done with doors to facilitate power windows and locks and a Jeep
would still be a Jeep.
Power options (including seats if they ever decide to put those in) don't
make it less of an off-road machine. They just make it a more comfortable
off-road machine. Now when they start changing the suspension, I'll take
issue with that. I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
td
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com.. .
> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
> > What I don't see however, is how power
> > windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
> > cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.
>
> first they announce that the yj would be sold in addition to the cj line,
> then they kill the cj. then they announce that the xj would be sold in
> addition to the kj, then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
> suv). the solid axle is gone from the wj in '05, that much is already
> known. eventually it will be gone from the swb, but thats just opinion so
> maybe that doesnt count. theyre already talking at camp jeep about fixing
> the front windshields so that they dont fold down. there is no more
rubicon
> trail challenge because the entire line up can no longer cross without
> stacking it as flat as a back country road.
>
> its not the power windows alone.....its the combined trend of options.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
---
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09-28-2003, 12:38 AM
#113
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
I don't think it's creature comforts killing Jeep, it's design decisions
contrary to the ideal that existed when "Jeep" meant something different
than it does today. Like someone else mentioned, you can defrost the rear
window on a hardtop, but you can still remove said hardtop... The same thing
could be done with doors to facilitate power windows and locks and a Jeep
would still be a Jeep.
Power options (including seats if they ever decide to put those in) don't
make it less of an off-road machine. They just make it a more comfortable
off-road machine. Now when they start changing the suspension, I'll take
issue with that. I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
td
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com.. .
> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
> > What I don't see however, is how power
> > windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
> > cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.
>
> first they announce that the yj would be sold in addition to the cj line,
> then they kill the cj. then they announce that the xj would be sold in
> addition to the kj, then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
> suv). the solid axle is gone from the wj in '05, that much is already
> known. eventually it will be gone from the swb, but thats just opinion so
> maybe that doesnt count. theyre already talking at camp jeep about fixing
> the front windshields so that they dont fold down. there is no more
rubicon
> trail challenge because the entire line up can no longer cross without
> stacking it as flat as a back country road.
>
> its not the power windows alone.....its the combined trend of options.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
---
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contrary to the ideal that existed when "Jeep" meant something different
than it does today. Like someone else mentioned, you can defrost the rear
window on a hardtop, but you can still remove said hardtop... The same thing
could be done with doors to facilitate power windows and locks and a Jeep
would still be a Jeep.
Power options (including seats if they ever decide to put those in) don't
make it less of an off-road machine. They just make it a more comfortable
off-road machine. Now when they start changing the suspension, I'll take
issue with that. I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
td
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Heodb.8175$1q.5625@twister.southeast.rr.com.. .
> "Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
> news:hsndb.600152$YN5.444140@sccrnsc01...
> > What I don't see however, is how power
> > windows (or AC, CD players, headlight shape or coil springs for that
> matter)
> > cause a SWB vehicle to be anything other than a SWB vehicle.
>
> they dont. its the trend towards creature comfort that is killing jeep.
> one option at a time the change is happening.
>
> first they announce that the yj would be sold in addition to the cj line,
> then they kill the cj. then they announce that the xj would be sold in
> addition to the kj, then they killed the xj (the ultimate pure utilitarian
> suv). the solid axle is gone from the wj in '05, that much is already
> known. eventually it will be gone from the swb, but thats just opinion so
> maybe that doesnt count. theyre already talking at camp jeep about fixing
> the front windshields so that they dont fold down. there is no more
rubicon
> trail challenge because the entire line up can no longer cross without
> stacking it as flat as a back country road.
>
> its not the power windows alone.....its the combined trend of options.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
>
---
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09-28-2003, 12:46 AM
#114
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
Maybe so, my Mother died in my arms a couple of weeks ago while it
recited the Lord's prayer, and Psalm 23.
http://obituaries.signonsandiego.com...hp?id=7531&t=c You too
might think about where you're going.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> You sound like those JW's or Latter-day Saints or whoever that I shooed off my
> front porch last week.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
recited the Lord's prayer, and Psalm 23.
http://obituaries.signonsandiego.com...hp?id=7531&t=c You too
might think about where you're going.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> You sound like those JW's or Latter-day Saints or whoever that I shooed off my
> front porch last week.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
09-28-2003, 12:46 AM
#115
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
Maybe so, my Mother died in my arms a couple of weeks ago while it
recited the Lord's prayer, and Psalm 23.
http://obituaries.signonsandiego.com...hp?id=7531&t=c You too
might think about where you're going.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> You sound like those JW's or Latter-day Saints or whoever that I shooed off my
> front porch last week.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
recited the Lord's prayer, and Psalm 23.
http://obituaries.signonsandiego.com...hp?id=7531&t=c You too
might think about where you're going.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> You sound like those JW's or Latter-day Saints or whoever that I shooed off my
> front porch last week.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
09-28-2003, 12:50 AM
#116
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:YAtdb.604258$Ho3.118714@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
> the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
again, it is the expectation of the availability of the option that i called
into question.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:YAtdb.604258$Ho3.118714@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
> the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
again, it is the expectation of the availability of the option that i called
into question.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-28-2003, 12:50 AM
#117
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:YAtdb.604258$Ho3.118714@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
> the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
again, it is the expectation of the availability of the option that i called
into question.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:YAtdb.604258$Ho3.118714@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think that the changes in options are leading to
> the downfall of the SWB jeep as we know it.
again, it is the expectation of the availability of the option that i called
into question.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-28-2003, 12:50 AM
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030928000315.00814.00000222@mb-m17.aol.com...
> It's his Jeep let him do to it what he wants. And do to yours whatever
you
> want.
you _totally_ missed my point mark.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:20030928000315.00814.00000222@mb-m17.aol.com...
> It's his Jeep let him do to it what he wants. And do to yours whatever
you
> want.
you _totally_ missed my point mark.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-28-2003, 12:50 AM
#119
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"Mark12211" <mark12211@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030928000315.00814.00000222@mb-m17.aol.com...
> It's his Jeep let him do to it what he wants. And do to yours whatever
you
> want.
you _totally_ missed my point mark.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:20030928000315.00814.00000222@mb-m17.aol.com...
> It's his Jeep let him do to it what he wants. And do to yours whatever
you
> want.
you _totally_ missed my point mark.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-28-2003, 12:53 AM
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Re: Jeep TJ: Power Windows..didn't someone say you couldn't do this??
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Maybe so, my Mother died in my arms a couple of weeks ago
i had no idea, im sorry for your loss brother.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F766791.BF4AA6C4@***.net...
> Maybe so, my Mother died in my arms a couple of weeks ago
i had no idea, im sorry for your loss brother.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
