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Scooby Don't

10-04-2003 02:47 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:

>Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it would
>appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
>decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
>exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
>million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
>quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
>leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the 400
>chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
>different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty" decided
>that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
>allegedly.
>As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would be
>equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..

I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.

>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
>: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
>Dumfries,
>: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
>: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
>:
>: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>:
>: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
>: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>: >
>: > --
>: > Dave Milne, Scotland
>: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>: >
>: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
>: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
>: able
>: > to
>: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
>: it'll
>: > : start every time!
>: > :
>: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
>: > :
>: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
>: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
>: they
>: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
>: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
>: > electrolytic
>: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
>: are
>: > : crap
>: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
>Buick
>: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
>second
>: > : hand
>: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
>two
>: > days
>: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
>owner
>: > : with
>: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
>When
>: a
>: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
>: > wrong
>: > : !
>: > : >
>: > : > --
>: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>: > : >
>: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
>: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
>: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
>: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
>some
>: of
>: > : the
>: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
>: > years,
>: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
>: > : > electrical
>: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
>: broken
>: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
>: > : > engineer,
>: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
>: > : > :
>: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
>: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
>: > : > : >
>: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
>: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>: > : > : >
>: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
>: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
>: (Daily
>: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
>: > index"
>: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with
>an
>: > : > average
>: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
>: and
>: > a
>: > : > 16%
>: > : > : > : failure rate.
>: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
>: > failure
>: > : > : rate
>: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
>: > failure
>: > : > : rate)
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
>: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
>and
>: a
>: > : 44%
>: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
>: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
>: and
>: > a
>: > : > 21%
>: > : > : > : repair bill
>: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with
>an
>: > : > average
>: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since
>the
>: > : > highest
>: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes
>me
>: > : wonder
>: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
>: > sense.
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : Gyp
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : > : --
>: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
>: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
>: > : > : > : --
>: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
>: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
>: > : > : > :
>: > : > : >
>: > : > : >
>: > : > :
>: > : > :
>: > : >
>: > : >
>: > :
>: > :
>: >
>: >
>:
>:
>

Scooby Don't

10-04-2003 02:47 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Scooby Don't

10-04-2003 02:47 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-04-2003 03:24 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

I think my ancestral people are waiting for Mel Gibson to come back & lead
'em again.

I was in Glasgow back in '99 and ambled into a local pub. When the locals
found out I was a Yank of Scottish descent I never bought another beer..er,
ale, er lager. Funny, though, I couldn't understand a single word some of
'em said!

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b11unv4k50rplujrai30kpkgi0o7s8calg@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:15:14 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >Hah, sort of. We now have a Scottish parliament (good start), but it
would
> >appear we are incapable of governing ourselves (bad news). The parliament
> >decided they need a nice new building to meet in (not that Edinburgh is
> >exactly short of fine buildings), so they set about building one for 40
> >million quid. The total cost so far (and it isnt complete) is 400 million
> >quid. A friend of a friend got the contract for covering 400 chairs with
> >leather, which had to be an exotic foreign leather. Having completed the
400
> >chairs, he got the contract again to do the same chairs with a slightly
> >different shade of exotic leather. Half way through, some "numpty"
decided
> >that they had forgotten to mention that the building should be bomb proof
> >allegedly.
> >As Scotland has only 5 million people, per head of population that would
be
> >equivalent of of 35 billion US on one building..
>
> I was over in Scotland oh more than a few years back and the Parliment
> building was under construction back then! You mean they still haven't
> finished it? When I was there it was not even a framework.
>
>
>
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >
> >"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> >news:vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com...
> >: Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in
> >Dumfries,
> >: but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
> >: daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)
> >:
> >: Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
> >:
> >: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >: news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >: > I'm an Edinburgh lad !
> >: >
> >: > --
> >: > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >: >
> >: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> >: > news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> >: > : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll
be
> >: able
> >: > to
> >: > : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
> >: it'll
> >: > : start every time!
> >: > :
> >: > : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> >: > :
> >: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >: > : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >: > : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull
where
> >: they
> >: > : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more
substantial
> >: > : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> >: > electrolytic
> >: > : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel
engines
> >: are
> >: > : crap
> >: > : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63
> >Buick
> >: > : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a
> >second
> >: > : hand
> >: > : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but
> >two
> >: > days
> >: > : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the
> >owner
> >: > : with
> >: > : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc.
> >When
> >: a
> >: > : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be
something
> >: > wrong
> >: > : !
> >: > : >
> >: > : > --
> >: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >: > : >
> >: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> >: > : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> >: > : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on
our
> >: > : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are
now
> >: > : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at
> >some
> >: of
> >: > : the
> >: > : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for
15
> >: > years,
> >: > : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil
leaks,
> >: > : > electrical
> >: > : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
> >: broken
> >: > : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a
Jaguar
> >: > : > engineer,
> >: > : > : he got hired at Rover!
> >: > : > :
> >: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >: > : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >: > : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious
??
> >: > : > : >
> >: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >: > : > : >
> >: > : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> >: > : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> >: > : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
> >: (Daily
> >: > : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct
Reliability
> >: > index"
> >: > : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards
with
> >an
> >: > : > average
> >: > : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702
miles.
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of
£275
> >: and
> >: > a
> >: > : > 16%
> >: > : > : > : failure rate.
> >: > : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a
32%
> >: > failure
> >: > : > : rate
> >: > : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a
20%
> >: > failure
> >: > : > : rate)
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> >: > : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420
> >and
> >: a
> >: > : 44%
> >: > : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> >: > : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of
£1040
> >: and
> >: > a
> >: > : > 21%
> >: > : > : > : repair bill
> >: > : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last)
with
> >an
> >: > : > average
> >: > : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although
since
> >the
> >: > : > highest
> >: > : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it
makes
> >me
> >: > : wonder
> >: > : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle
makes
> >: > sense.
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : Gyp
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : > : --
> >: > : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> >: > : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> >: > : > : > : --
> >: > : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> >: > : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> >: > : > : > :
> >: > : > : >
> >: > : > : >
> >: > : > :
> >: > : > :
> >: > : >
> >: > : >
> >: > :
> >: > :
> >: >
> >: >
> >:
> >:
> >
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-04-2003 03:24 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-04-2003 03:24 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Matt Macchiarolo

10-04-2003 04:20 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:

>Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?

Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Matt Macchiarolo

10-04-2003 04:20 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Matt Macchiarolo

10-04-2003 04:20 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-04-2003 06:11 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

No, no, I was referring to Scotland. The Brits are bound to become the 51st
State eventually, anyway, at which time we'll all become far more polite,
genteel and .... f&^%ing broke from Socialist taxes...

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031004162033.15462.00003372@mb-m06.aol.com...
> In article <vns4ompgnggbcf@corp.supernews.com>, "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> writes:
>
> >Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?
>
> Shouldn't that be reversed? :-)
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

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