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Gerald G. McGeorge

10-02-2003 06:25 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

The Ford family provided the impetus to buy Jaguar in the first place and
aren't likely to see the investment wasted. Actually my friends at PAG say
the '03 S-Type with the ZF gearbox and 4.2 engine, new interior, etc. is the
best car they're building. Unfortunately it's now the car it should have and
could have been at the beginning.
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:fj%eb.660292$YN5.506730@sccrnsc01...
> Approximately 10/2/03 12:36, Gerald G. McGeorge uttered for posterity:
> > No, the days of Jaguars shorting out & puking fluids are long gone.
> > Unfortunately Ford threw the baby out with the bath water where the S &
> > X-types are concerned. Both are simply Ford platforms with revised
> > suspension tuning and tarted up styling,sort of "Faux-Jaguars" as we
have
> > come to call 'em.
> >
> > Fortunately for Jaguar long term, both cars have been marketplace flops
> > because the target customers either know the difference beforehand, or
find
> > out the scam from the press. Replacements for both cars will most likely
> > have their own, dedicated platforms. There's a big fight going on at
high
> > levels right now but the purists have won from what I'm told.
>
> Glad to see that. I have no problem with Jaguar technology being
> used in the Lincoln LS, but other than wiring, reliability, etc.
> I would much rather let the Jaguar folks do the mechanicals designs
> thanking Bill Ford in advance, etc. etc. I guess the X-type isn't
> a bad little car, just kinda pricey and not really a competitor in
> the price range. I like the looks of the front end of the S-type,
> but having once lusted after a real '61 3.8S, well, it would kinda
> be like getting a blowup doll of Christina Ricci rather than the
> real thing.
> >
> > However, all that aside, the new XJ8 (big Jaguar Sedan) is a
masterpiece,
> > mostly because the Ford bean-counters were kept far away from that
design
> > team. Former BMW Exec VP Wolfgang Reitzle became head of Fords Premier
> > Automotive Group in early '99 and was the main man on the new Jaguar XJ.
He
> > fought off many attempts by the Ford finance hacks who wanted it to be
based
> > upon the S-Type platform to save money. Apparently Reitzle did his job
so
> > well they drove him out of the organization!
>
> Yah, if the stock market ever comes out of the toilet, the big
> Jag XJR is well ahead of any new Grand Cherokee on my wishlist.
> Lighter than the S type, can't recall if also lighter than the
> X-type. And stiffer.
>
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-02-2003 06:25 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:22 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

I'm an Edinburgh lad !

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
: Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be able
to
: buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but it'll
: start every time!
:
: What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where they
: > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
: > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
electrolytic
: > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines are
: crap
: > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
: > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
: hand
: > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
days
: > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
: with
: > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When a
: > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
wrong
: !
: >
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some of
: the
: > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
years,
: > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
: > electrical
: > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather, broken
: > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
: > engineer,
: > : he got hired at Rover!
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : > : Lo Jeepers,
: > : > :
: > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
: > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
index"
: > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
: > average
: > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > : > :
: > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and
a
: > 16%
: > : > : failure rate.
: > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
failure
: > : rate
: > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
failure
: > : rate)
: > : > :
: > : > : Right down at the other end..
: > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a
: 44%
: > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and
a
: > 21%
: > : > : repair bill
: > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
: > average
: > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
: > highest
: > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
: wonder
: > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
sense.
: > : > :
: > : > : Gyp
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : > : --
: > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:22 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:22 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:33 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

My pal has an X type which I have been in quite a few times; it is heaps
better than a Mondeo, and overall, not a bad car. On the other hand, it
isn't my idea of a Jag. I don't think it will pull the brand down too much.

The S type, I gather, is competent, but it is sooo ugly and has an arse on
it like a fat lady. [ cue Mr Serusa - all Jags are lovely, some more than
others ;) ]. I'm not surprised people aren't buying it.

The XK8 is my favourite - the car that would have trashed its traditional
rival Aston Martin, had it not been now owned by the same owners, and, em,
looked fairly similar !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnn54f5thbhnf3@corp.supernews.com...
: Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and
hasn't
: been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the public.
: It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced on
: everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail.
It'll
: take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.
:
: "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@cox.net...
: > I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
: > Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
: > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: > >
: > > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
: able to
: > > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
: it'll
: > > start every time!
: > >
: > > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
:
:

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:33 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Dave Milne

10-03-2003 05:33 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-03-2003 08:21 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

Ay the home 'o me Great, Great Grandpappy! Actually he was born in Dumfries,
but he headed for Edinburgh as a lad, probably had buggered the Vicar's
daughter or something and needed to get out of town fast! :-)

Have we declared our once and for all independence from England yet?

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:1Mlfb.8193$df6.67254513@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I'm an Edinburgh lad !
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnmqteq77jp979@corp.supernews.com...
> : Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
able
> to
> : buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
it'll
> : start every time!
> :
> : What part of Scotland are you from, mate?
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where
they
> : > make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
> : > chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the
> electrolytic
> : > corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines
are
> : crap
> : > (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
> : > 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
> : hand
> : > Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two
> days
> : > later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
> : with
> : > a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When
a
> : > Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something
> wrong
> : !
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
> : > : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
> : > : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some
of
> : the
> : > : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15
> years,
> : > : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
> : > electrical
> : > : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather,
broken
> : > : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
> : > engineer,
> : > : he got hired at Rover!
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : > : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : > : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : > : > :
> : > : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper
(Daily
> : > : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability
> index"
> : > : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
> : > average
> : > : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275
and
> a
> : > 16%
> : > : > : failure rate.
> : > : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32%
> failure
> : > : rate
> : > : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20%
> failure
> : > : rate)
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Right down at the other end..
> : > : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and
a
> : 44%
> : > : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : > : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040
and
> a
> : > 21%
> : > : > : repair bill
> : > : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
> : > average
> : > : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : > : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
> : > highest
> : > : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
> : wonder
> : > : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes
> sense.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Gyp
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : > : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : > : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : > : > :
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

10-03-2003 08:21 PM

Re: Jeep Realiability

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