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Re: Jeep Realiability

Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where they
make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the electrolytic
corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines are crap
(and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second hand
Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two days
later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner with
a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When a
Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something wrong !

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
: Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
: reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
: responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some of the
: current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15 years,
: including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
electrical
: problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather, broken
: switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
engineer,
: he got hired at Rover!
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
: > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
: > : Lo Jeepers,
: > :
: > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
: > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
: > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
average
: > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
: > :
: > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a
16%
: > : failure rate.
: > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
: rate
: > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
: rate)
: > :
: > : Right down at the other end..
: > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a 44%
: > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
: > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a
21%
: > : repair bill
: > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
average
: > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
: > :
: > :
: > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
highest
: > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me wonder
: > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
: > :
: > : Gyp
: > :
: > : --
: > : Jeep at the Threshold
: > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
: > : --
: > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
: > : http://anoraks.uk.net
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Re: Jeep Realiability

Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be able to
buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but it'll
start every time!

What part of Scotland are you from, mate?

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:nyHeb.6286$Uc.52033728@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Sounds about right.. I shuttle between Edinburgh and Solihull where they
> make Land Rovers. Despite the fact that Landys have more substantial
> chassis, suspension and running gear , I didn't buy one - the electrolytic
> corrosion from the alloy and steel is bad, the turbo diesel engines are
crap
> (and that's all you can get in a Defender - bring back the 61-63 Buick
> 3528cc, now 4600cc derived engine from the Disco). My pal got a second
hand
> Range Rover recently ; looked a lot better deal than my Jeep, but two days
> later it started all by itself, blew its computer and landed the owner
with
> a 1600 USD repair bill. Then the heated seats broke etc etc etc. When a
> Solihull mechanic recommends you avoid LR, there has to be something wrong
!
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnk5bpqquvj3b@corp.supernews.com...
> : Here in the States Land Rover is a perennial bottom dweller on our
> : reliability studies. Some of my old staff from Jaguar USA are now
> : responsible for Land Rover and have me in stitches laughing at some of
the
> : current LR reliability problems. Having worked for Jaguar for 15 years,
> : including pre-Ford, it's all "Deja Vu All Over Again". Oil leaks,
> electrical
> : problems, corrosion, poor panel fits, bad paint, worn leather, broken
> : switchgear...what would we expect, as soon as Ford fired a Jaguar
> engineer,
> : he got hired at Rover!
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:Cmneb.5277$E%5.44408874@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > Landy better than a Jeep for reliability ? Are they serious ??
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gyp" <gyp@localdomain.net> wrote in message
> : > news:bkrmee$l5u$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> : > : Lo Jeepers,
> : > :
> : > : My other half pointed out an article in a local (UK) paper (Daily
> : > : Express). Which quotes from the "Warranty Direct Reliability index"
> : > : which is itself compiled from garage bills of 39k cards with an
> average
> : > : age of 4.8 years and have a average millage of 49,702 miles.
> : > :
> : > : Top of the table was Mazda with an average repair bill of £275 and a
> 16%
> : > : failure rate.
> : > : Second is Ford with an average repair bill of £207 and a 32% failure
> : rate
> : > : Third is Honda with an average repair bill of £277 and a 20% failure
> : rate)
> : > :
> : > : Right down at the other end..
> : > : At 21st comes Land Rover with a average repair bill of £420 and a
44%
> : > : repair bill and an average failure rate of 44%
> : > : 22nd comes Subary with a whopping average repair bill of £1040 and a
> 21%
> : > : repair bill
> : > : and Lastly but not least comes Jeep in 23rd place (last) with an
> average
> : > : repair bill of £587.92 and an average repair bill of 41%.
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : Not great recommendation for the Jeep really, although since the
> highest
> : > : failure rates in the chart being 4x4 related brands it makes me
wonder
> : > : quite how much driving an over engineered road vehicle makes sense.
> : > :
> : > : Gyp
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Jeep at the Threshold
> : > : http://the-threshold.org/gallery/Jeep
> : > : --
> : > : 4x4 Anoraks Offload
> : > : http://anoraks.uk.net
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Re: Jeep Realiability

I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be able to
> buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but it'll
> start every time!
>
> What part of Scotland are you from, mate?

Re: Jeep Realiability

Jaguar has a new car in addition to the X Type based on the
Ford Mondeo/Contour?

Approximately 10/1/03 18:00, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:

> I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>>
>> Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be able to
>> buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but it'll
>> start every time!
>>
>> What part of Scotland are you from, mate?

Re: Jeep Realiability

Powered by the Taurus V6: http://autozine.kyul.net/html/Jaguar1.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Jaguar has a new car in addition to the X Type based on the
> Ford Mondeo/Contour?

Re: Jeep Realiability

Actually, it's based upon the European Mondeo (Contour over here) and hasn't
been well received by either the Jaguar faithful, the press or the public.
It's another one of ex Ford CEO Jac Nasser's decisions that were forced on
everyone. Those with any knowledge of the business knew it would fail. It'll
take them ten years to undo the damage done to the brand.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F7B78AE.7EEC2438@cox.net...
> I don't know that we are going in that direction, we can buy a
> Jaguar based on the Taurus now.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > Ah, but fear not, Mother Ford is here to help! Pretty soon you'll be
able to
> > buy a Ford-based Land Rover, which won't off-road worth a crap, but
it'll
> > start every time!
> >
> > What part of Scotland are you from, mate?