Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
#151
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 02:57:58 UTC jcwelch@hal-pc.org (John Welch)
wrote:
> Now on the other hand, fording the creek to get into the east pasture
> is a decent chalenge and a fair place to do a head to head comparison.
> It is 12+ feet deep, a mix of loose sand, mud, and big ruts that you
> have to pick the right line through to keep from high centering. It
> is just down and up, but it is a good place to make girls squeal. I
> drive both the liberty and the wrangler through there all the time to
> check on the cows. The liberty is a much more pleasant, secure ride.
> I think that it is all to do with the difference between selectrac on
> the Liberty as opposed to command trac on the Wrangler rather than ifs
> vs solid axel. I am sure it is not the Liberty's sun roof, but it
> might be the butt warmer.
12+ feet? That's a river, not a creek Where do you store the
snorkles? Oh, you mean the cut, not the water depth. My problem with
fording a ditch like that is usually the approach/depature angles
since I seem to hang the bumper on one end or the other so that's
gives the Wrangler a definte edge.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> Now on the other hand, fording the creek to get into the east pasture
> is a decent chalenge and a fair place to do a head to head comparison.
> It is 12+ feet deep, a mix of loose sand, mud, and big ruts that you
> have to pick the right line through to keep from high centering. It
> is just down and up, but it is a good place to make girls squeal. I
> drive both the liberty and the wrangler through there all the time to
> check on the cows. The liberty is a much more pleasant, secure ride.
> I think that it is all to do with the difference between selectrac on
> the Liberty as opposed to command trac on the Wrangler rather than ifs
> vs solid axel. I am sure it is not the Liberty's sun roof, but it
> might be the butt warmer.
12+ feet? That's a river, not a creek Where do you store the
snorkles? Oh, you mean the cut, not the water depth. My problem with
fording a ditch like that is usually the approach/depature angles
since I seem to hang the bumper on one end or the other so that's
gives the Wrangler a definte edge.
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
#152
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote
> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.
>
Outside of Ford and Jeep, there are very few USA made 4WDs here in NZ, Most
vehicles are japanese. I've owned a Mitsi with over 250,000Km on it, and it
was in fine condition and running well. That eventually got written off in a
crash. There are many pre '85 Jap cars with over 400,000Km no the roads
here. and I know of one Nissan with over 1 Million Km.
We don't have salted roads here in winter, so they only have to deal with
sea winds.
If you want real reliability however, You can't beat the Holdens.
rhys
#153
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote
> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.
>
Outside of Ford and Jeep, there are very few USA made 4WDs here in NZ, Most
vehicles are japanese. I've owned a Mitsi with over 250,000Km on it, and it
was in fine condition and running well. That eventually got written off in a
crash. There are many pre '85 Jap cars with over 400,000Km no the roads
here. and I know of one Nissan with over 1 Million Km.
We don't have salted roads here in winter, so they only have to deal with
sea winds.
If you want real reliability however, You can't beat the Holdens.
rhys
#154
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote
> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.
>
Outside of Ford and Jeep, there are very few USA made 4WDs here in NZ, Most
vehicles are japanese. I've owned a Mitsi with over 250,000Km on it, and it
was in fine condition and running well. That eventually got written off in a
crash. There are many pre '85 Jap cars with over 400,000Km no the roads
here. and I know of one Nissan with over 1 Million Km.
We don't have salted roads here in winter, so they only have to deal with
sea winds.
If you want real reliability however, You can't beat the Holdens.
rhys
#155
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
#156
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
#157
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
news:pefwb.27832$I53.910260@twister.southeast.rr.c om:
> run
> them both through the rubicon trail (without stacking rocks) and tell
> me theyre even. i realize trails such as that are a minority and very
> few ever see them, but its the capabilities on those very trails that
> sets jeep apart from the other soft-roaders.
>
Lets be serious - nobody (at least nobody in their right mind) is buying
the Liberty to run the Rubicon. Its a road mobile with the capacity to
handle mud, snow and ice. I bought one because I live on the farm, and need
4wd occasionally to get through muddy fields or to the duck blind. The rest
of teh time, I want a comfortable ride to take my woife out to dinner in.
If I wanted to run the Rubicon, I'd buy a serious off-road mobile like an
old CJ5 or my old 74 Bronco. But these aren't the vehicles I want for the
daily commute or even to run to the store for parts.
#158
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.
#159
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.
#160
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<0BUvb.5050$dl.675428@twister.southeast.rr.co m>...
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.
> "John Welch" <jcwelch@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:13efcc39.0311221306.6f6514dd@posting.google.c om...
> > Liberty and
> > Wrangler are pretty much evenly matched off road - stock
>
> youve never truly tested the capabilities of your wrangler.
So what. I *HAVE* tested the capabilities of the ******. I have also
busted it lots of time out in the tulies. The Wrangler has fewer
things I could not begin to fix than does the Liberty (like the stupid
sun roof), but as far as 'sure footed-ness' the Liberty is at least
even, probablly due to the selectract. One of the most important
'capabilities' of 'real' jeep is its ability to last 60 years and
still be kicking ***. Liberty will probablly fail this test, but we
will see.