Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
#111
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Don" <Not@This.Address> wrote in message news:<w1Wvb.993$ZE1.110@fed1read04>...
> If a Ford is a 4, then I'd have to say a Jeep would be about a -20. Maybe
> the CJ a -10.
>
> Note I'm note talking about off road capability - no arguments there - most
> Jeeps do well there. Note I say most Jeeps - the Liberty being the
> exception. Just plain reliability, mechanical, etc, the Jeeps fall apart.
>
> Sorry to you Jeep lovers - just from my and every one I know experience.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
troll
welcome to killfile land
> If a Ford is a 4, then I'd have to say a Jeep would be about a -20. Maybe
> the CJ a -10.
>
> Note I'm note talking about off road capability - no arguments there - most
> Jeeps do well there. Note I say most Jeeps - the Liberty being the
> exception. Just plain reliability, mechanical, etc, the Jeeps fall apart.
>
> Sorry to you Jeep lovers - just from my and every one I know experience.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
troll
welcome to killfile land
#112
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Don" <Not@This.Address> wrote in message news:<w1Wvb.993$ZE1.110@fed1read04>...
> If a Ford is a 4, then I'd have to say a Jeep would be about a -20. Maybe
> the CJ a -10.
>
> Note I'm note talking about off road capability - no arguments there - most
> Jeeps do well there. Note I say most Jeeps - the Liberty being the
> exception. Just plain reliability, mechanical, etc, the Jeeps fall apart.
>
> Sorry to you Jeep lovers - just from my and every one I know experience.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
troll
welcome to killfile land
> If a Ford is a 4, then I'd have to say a Jeep would be about a -20. Maybe
> the CJ a -10.
>
> Note I'm note talking about off road capability - no arguments there - most
> Jeeps do well there. Note I say most Jeeps - the Liberty being the
> exception. Just plain reliability, mechanical, etc, the Jeeps fall apart.
>
> Sorry to you Jeep lovers - just from my and every one I know experience.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Thomas" <Paul.Thomas2@cingular.com> wrote in message
> news:8f958472.0311192211.e8cddbb@posting.google.co m...
> > I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty. There had been a lot of
> > discussion about this SUV in the newsgroups. I understand overall it
> > is a pretty good vehicle. There are a couple of things about liberty
> > that I would like to know. Safety and Reliability.
> >
> > Safety : How safe is it? I am new to SUVs and I hear that SUVs are
> > vulnerable to tip over. How is jeep's record on this? How about other
> > safety features?
> >
> >
> > Reliability : How reliable is Liberty? I am going to use it only to
> > commute to and from work and may be some camping. Strictly no rock
> > climbing or extreme off roading of any sort. If you give Honda a
> > reliability rating of 10 and a Ford a reliability rating of 4 how
> > would you rate Liberty? ( Remember no offroading). Does the parts
> > start malfunctioning after a couple of years? (I hear Nissan Xterra
> > has this problem )
> >
> >
> > I am a novice in autos. What is the deal with independent front
> > suspension and solid rear axle? How does it affect comfort and
> > reliability?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Paul Thomas
troll
welcome to killfile land
#113
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> It doesn't work that way. If it did, the Explorer would have the worst
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
#114
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> It doesn't work that way. If it did, the Explorer would have the worst
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
#115
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> It doesn't work that way. If it did, the Explorer would have the worst
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
rating.
> It doesn't. The injury loss rating is based on the dollar loss per million
> registered vehicles attributable to injury and then is normalized so that
the
> average vehicle has an injury loss rating of 100. The 200-2002 4WD 4Runner
has
> an injury loss rating of 91 (which is better than the average for all
vehicles),
> but a 4 Door 4WD Explorer's rating is only 71 (lower is better). The
average for
> all mid-sized 4WD SUVs is 76.
>
> Even worse is the roll over performance of the 4Runner. A 4DR, 4WD
Explorer has
> a driver death rating due to rollovers of 26. The 4Runner has a rating of
86.
> (the rate is deaths in single-vehicle crashes involving rollover per
million
> registered vehicle years). I can't see how the press trashed Explorers for
> rollovers and ignored the far more dangerous 4Runner. I hope the new
4Runner is
> better, but from what I can read, it is little more that a new body
sitting on
> the same tired old chassis. And in fact it may be worse since they
increased the
> weight and added a heavier , more powerful engine as an option. It seems
to me
> that the Japanese SUVs are getting a free ride when it comes to Safety. In
every
> category of SUV they rank near the bottom of injury rates.
>
> Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
With the XReas on the new 4 runner, it's almost impossible to make it roll
over. Also, they made other safety adjustments.
Let's look at reliability. Look at jdpower.com and compare long term
reliability tests of 4 runner vs. explorer. vs jeep grand cherokee. Toyota
always comes up on top. Also, I have friends that racked over half a million
miles on their 4 runners. This is something American made SUVs just do not
do. I think the original poster would be better of spending a little more to
get better quality.
Don't get me wrong, Ford's F150 is a fairly reliable truck, and Ford is
trying hard to gain. However, current Jeeps and Chrysler products are
spinning their wheels.
#116
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:63Wvb.5588$Bk1.1054@fed1read05...
> Heh, I always have to laugh at the trolls.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
#117
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:63Wvb.5588$Bk1.1054@fed1read05...
> Heh, I always have to laugh at the trolls.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
#118
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:63Wvb.5588$Bk1.1054@fed1read05...
> Heh, I always have to laugh at the trolls.
>
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
#119
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Facts don't lie, but you do: http://www.----------.com/Jeepstat.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
> for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
> do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
> used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
> for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
> do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
> used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
#120
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Facts don't lie, but you do: http://www.----------.com/Jeepstat.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
> for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
> do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
> used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> Look at jdpower.com - facts do not lie. 2002 Jeep Wrangler, 2 out of 5 stars
> for mechanical quality. 2 out of 5 for mechanical reliability. These numbers
> do not lie. Jeep is a great name, Chryco managed to turn it into crap. I
> used to be a jeep fan, until a jeep left me stranded once too many times.