Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
#231
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> >
>
> So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
> >
>
> So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
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#233
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Around 11/30/2003 4:32 PM, Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
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> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
^(To e-mail me, look in a mirror) - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
#234
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Around 11/30/2003 4:32 PM, Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
^(To e-mail me, look in a mirror) - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
^(To e-mail me, look in a mirror) - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
#235
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
Around 11/30/2003 4:32 PM, Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
^(To e-mail me, look in a mirror) - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
> "DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>
> . On the other hand,
>
>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>miles.
>
>
> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>
>
Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
I've driven my Mustang almost 50,000 miles (about 98,500 on the clock),
and aside from "oil, gas, brakes and tires", I've only spent about $600
on mechanical repairs.
It is not unusual to find 500,000 mile Ford taxis and police cars. Nor
is it unusual to find 100,000 mile 5.0 FoMoCo vehicles (Mustangs,
T-birds, full-sized cars, trucks, etc.) with lots of life left.
It all comes down to basic maintenance; neglect any car, and it's not
going to last. And, true, once in a while you get a true lemon, but
they're nowhere near as common as popular belief would dictate.
--
~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
^(To e-mail me, look in a mirror) - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
#236
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
>You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
#237
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
>You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
#238
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
>You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
>
>Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
No, you were right the first time. Unburned fuel will ignite in the catalytic
converter and create excessive heat.
KennyH
Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.
#239
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
Troll.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
Troll.
#240
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
Troll.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
Troll.