If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
07-18-2006, 10:19 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a
descendant of an Amway product.
In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is ---- DeVos,
whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.
Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.
07-18-2006, 10:22 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
07-18-2006, 10:22 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
07-18-2006, 10:22 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
07-18-2006, 10:50 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>
No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.
If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.
You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.
For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.
07-18-2006, 10:50 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>
No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.
If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.
You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.
For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.
07-18-2006, 10:50 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>
No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.
If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.
You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.
For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.
07-18-2006, 10:52 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.
07-18-2006, 10:52 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.
07-18-2006, 10:52 AM
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Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.
Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.